Munroe Bergdorf

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I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Bergdorf is a brilliant transactivist. World class ridiculous. A shining example of intolerant tantrums. Unwavering in attempts to manage everyone else's thoughts and opinions.

Great job.

Joe Lycett and Zoe Ball have just been singing Munroe’s praises on R2 breakfast show. Joe actually referred to Munroe as a brilliant trans activist!

What's wrong with that? It's true isn't it? It's not like they were referring to Munroe as a brilliant woman or woman's rights activist.

I'm glad you agree Sappho

May I say that I am very confused at what cisgender privilege is after 39 pages of this thread, as it seems to be a totally different thing from the privilege that I try to acknowledge having.

What I thought it meant: having a life free from persistent, ongoing gender dysphoria and all the distress that entails.

I can get behind that, because I think it is important to acknowledge the disadvantages that other people have. I didn't, however, think it constituted a beats-all trump card, because there are plenty of other issues that cause persistent, ongoing psychological distress, many of them particularly affecting women. However, being trans and thus not having cisgender privilege (as I understood it) doesn't mean you automatically need more support than anyone else with a condition that causes psychological distress. Compassion is for everyone in distress according to the scale of impact it is having on them, just as mental health support is supposed to be. Not according to a hierarchy.

In fact, in my opinion, this is why libfems such as myself have traditionally been well keen on trans rights. Tell us about constantly hating your body and feeling betrayed that it doesn't look the way you feel it should look and so on and we will be right behind you.

I may have misunderstood - in fact I hope I have - but I've inferred from posts in this thread that cisgender privilege actually means having female biology.

How can female biology be a marker of privilege when female biology causes transmen, as well as people born female who identify outside the gender binary, the same amount of psychological distress that male biology causes transwomen? It all came across as incredibly dismissive of transmen and NB people.

Pothole

Quite right. I think that there was a lot of confusion on what actually constitutes 'privilege' as a class group and what constitutes an individual's privilege based on the class group.

PotholeParadise that's interesting. And in the context of JK Rowling her female biology worked against her when she was a victim of DV, I can see that. What I don't see is why JK would be more vulnerable to DV than a trans woman?

JK Rowling has the privilege of being white, being rich, being straight, not being transgender and being in a position of power and influence. I'm really struggling to see how any trans woman could be more privileged than her.

@SapphosRock

Hi OP, nice to see you back on the thread.

You don't have to answer this of course, but I have always been of the opinion that biological women are more privileged than trans women. I see race a an additional privilege so a biological white woman will be twice as privileged as a black trans woman.

A black trans woman could face discrimination, harassment and prejudice for being trans as well as racism for being black. Things white biological women do not ever face in their lifetimes.

Yes females often face discrimination and harassment due to their sex, but I see trans women as being equally vulnerable to this.

I know you cannot speak for all trans women but as a trans woman, do you feel more or less privileged than a biological woman?

If you feel more privileged then I apologise for assuming otherwise.

We don't know that the OP is a trans woman. They just said they were trans. Could be a trans man.

It's interesting that 'trans' defaults automatically in the mind to trans woman. Almost like there's a privilege of sort there! I'll admit I did it too until I went back and read all OPs posts. Unless I've missed something they don't actually say which gender they identify with.

Sapphos

Look up Jennifer Natalya Pritzker

JK Rowling has the privilege of being white, being rich, being straight, not being transgender and being in a position of power and influence. I'm really struggling to see how any trans woman could be more privileged than her.

Because it's not about individuals. On that basis, Barack Obama proves that black people aren't oppressed.

Or to save you the clicks

Jennifer Natalya Pritzker from Wiki (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Pritzker)

Born James Nicholas Pritzker August 16, 1950 (age 69)
Nationality United States
Education B.A. Loyola University (Chicago)
Occupation Investor and philanthropist
Known for First transgender billionaire,
founder of Tawani Foundation and Pritzker Military Library
Net worth Increase US$ 1.9 billion (November 2017)[1]

And white

This thread just reinforces how the important thing for TRAs tag teaming in and out of it is to criticise Rowling as a person in the hope everyone ignores what she’s saying. It’s distraction of the highest order to prevent discussion around children being medicalised for life. Pages and pages of it.

Well she won’t be silenced and the points she’s making are being noticed. Slur her all you want, it doesn’t matter anymore. 💪

If we want to compare individuals, rather than the usual class structures because again it’s not an accounting system of oppression / privilege.

@ItsLateHumpty

Or to save you the clicks

Jennifer Natalya Pritzker from Wiki (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Pritzker)

Born James Nicholas Pritzker August 16, 1950 (age 69)
Nationality United States
Education B.A. Loyola University (Chicago)
Occupation Investor and philanthropist
Known for First transgender billionaire,
founder of Tawani Foundation and Pritzker Military Library
Net worth Increase US$ 1.9 billion (November 2017)[1]

And white

And interestingly, a great deal of the money behind transactivism comes from this person.

I'm really not a TRA, why keep trying to paint everyone with a different opinion as a tag team?
It's just such a weird, paranoid thing to do.

And interestingly, a great deal of the money behind transactivism comes from this person.

Oh, no vested interest then.

Just looking at the family name - any link to The University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine? University in Chicago, Illinois

DescriptionThe Pritzker School of Medicine is the M.D.-granting unit of the Biological Sciences Division of the University of Chicago. It is located on the university's main campus in the historic Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago and matriculated its first class in 1927.

attributes GC feminists to saying women are not useful if they can’t have children

as an infertile GC feminist MB can get in the fucking bin with this. I am so sick of having my infertility weaponised by TRA as a pathetic gotcha

my biology is female, i have the equipment to have children, it just doesnt work, it doesnt make me not a woman FFS!

Datun I'm sure if Barack Obama took a pop at trans people, then people would point out his privilege too.

Exactly Sapphos

No one, not even Bergdorf can silence Rowling.

She who cannot be named?

She who cannot be silenced.

The damage to children will not go unspoken.

Just looking at the family name - any link to The University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine? University in Chicago, Illinois

Don’t worry - answered my own question.

The University of Chicago's School of Medicine matriculated its first class in 1927. To recognize the generous support extended to the medical school from the Pritzker family of Chicago, the medical school was named the Pritzker School of Medicine in 1968.

I wonder what type of research they do 🤔

And you’re welcome Sapphos

@SapphosRock

Datun I'm sure if Barack Obama took a pop at trans people, then people would point out his privilege too.

Who is taking to pop a Trans people? Surely you're not suggesting JK Rowling?

Her defence of trans people has been recreated over and over on line.

Exactly Datun. It’s deliberate slurring of Rowling’s character and it’s not going to wash.

Reading comprehension fail 101 to support the bias in’it