Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

We're not talking about black/white here, Lemonade. In what way does a woman have a 'biological' privilege over a transwoman?

lemonade

Transwomen, black or otherwise are male. If the weren't they wouldn't be trans.

We're not talking about black/white here, Lemonade

Erm... have you read the OP?
Here.
This bit.

JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”
I replied to this part, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity

I gave an answer as to why it could have been taken offence at.
If you don't want to see that then fine.

Biological females do not have biological privilege over trans women, who are male. Trans women have male privilege.

It's not unreasonable for Munroe to think JKR is not well placed to talk about race issues (although it should be noted she hasn't actually done this).

However as Munroe feels it's perfectly okay for them to dictate about women's issues including women's bodies I'm not inclined to take Munroe seriously about anything.

Perfectly put, Ovahere.

Transwomen, black or otherwise are male. If the weren't they wouldn't be trans.

Lemonade would agree with you on that, judging by her comments on another thread today.

I guess that's why males were mentioned, Lemonade? Because we're talking about MTF trans people?

Northerners are not responsible for Owen Jones

It's become commonplace now for TRAs to invoke racism as part of their cause - the vulnerability of 'Black transwomen' is now tacked onto every TRA statement by default so White transpeople can 'check their privilege'. As the OP says, the level of purity signaling required for acceptance among this activist community is beyond parody. Do they really care about the most vulnerable in the trans community? Seems unlikely given how self-absorbed most TRAs seem to be.

Helen Lewis has a good piece in the Atlantic on the furious response to JKR's statement. She makes some good observations on how doctrinal purity is an adolescent way to think about the world - people are either good or bad, you're either with us or against us, 'it really is that simple'. And of course, once we grow up a bit and get some sense, we begin to see that life is more complex. There is always room for nuance and debate when it comes to complex moral issues. Simple sloganeering just shuts down debate. Anyway, I thought it was a good read.
How JK Rowling Became Voldemort

If they really cared they would be looking at strategies to get MTF trans people out of prostitution, which carries a murder rate around 40x the average in the US.

But shock horror, that would make you a "SWERF"

Munroe thinks women’s protests shouldn’t mention female biology in any form. Munroe has chosen to bring race into an issue which is about biological sex.

Munroe reminds me of the kids at primary school who would play group games only when they got to keep remaking the rules so they never lost.

Munroe reminds me of the kids at primary school who would play group games only when they got to keep remaking the rules so they never lost.

That is an exceptionally good analogy.

Oh just answer the fucking question for once Lemonade

In what way does a woman have a 'biological' privilege over a transwoman?

ripples101 thanks for starting this thread. It describes three aspects of the current threats to women's rights that I've been thinking about a lot recently.

1. There is a section of society, possibly more than one actually, that isn't content with communications being run by men and for men. They want to shut down any slight disagreement from their orthodoxy that everything has to centre males, and have the power to do so. See Twitter, Reddit, Facebook at least (don't spend much time on SM but likely more) for how any challenge to this hegemony are shut down, 'shadowed' and generally disallowed.

1. One of their key tactics is to control language, hence the meaninglessness chants of TWAW etc. If women can't name our oppression, we can't organise around it. If we have to wait to be told what a 'woman' is, we cannot take control of our own lives.

1. How often gender ideologists try to co-opt race into their arguments. It never makes sense, its use is pretty insulting to the racial struggles that so many people live with, and it serves only to detract from the fact that they don't have an actual argument.

Because we have vaginas and trans women have penises. Or have had them turned inside out but it's still jot a vagina

Transwomen are not women. Stop trying to claim our spaces.

We all know that women don't have privilege over people who aren't women.

JKR's ethnicity is completely irrelevant. MB makes no reference to how she is 'causing harm' to non-white people. Neither has anyone else because we all know that she isn't.

JKR is only 'dangerous' if you are threatened by someone having a different view to you. This tends to happen when you don't have an argument to support your own view, in my observation.

Look up the term "purity spiral", OP, it explains a lot about some of what's happening on Twitter. At this point I'm assuming the cancellations will continue until there are about 5 people left, all of whom are trying to figure out a way to cancel the other 4.

Here is a woman desperately trying to be an 'ally' to Munroe and Munroe's reply. You can almost hear Munroe hissing the words 'cis, straight, white women' with venom.

Didn't even bother to say, 'thank you for being an ally' or anything!

No amount of tribute will ever be enough.

@Highperbolay

Didn't even bother to say, 'thank you for being an ally' or anything!

Nope

Cos rosie doesn’t count

Munroe really does come across as quite an unpleasant individual.

The danger of taking that position is that when people realize that nothing will ever be enough some/many of them will stop trying.