Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

This is my primary criticism of the broad TRA agenda: there is no space left. No nuance, no shades of grey, no room to manoeuvre so that a discussion can take place. Just a zero-sum-game; "you're with us" or "you're against us".

It's horrible, isn't it?

Why would women be a controversial word? Around 1 in 1,000 people are born with 6 toes so there are probably more people in the UK with six toes than trans men who menstruate yet saying that humans have 5 toes isn’t controversial.

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity

I could be wrong but maybe because she was pointing out that as someone who is white, and biologically female she has the privilege that comes with that as opposed to others who aren't?

Yes is it horrible.

An agenda is being set. Definitions as to what you actually are are being changed. And the very people who it is affecting seemingly have absolutely no say in this whatsoever.

Instead we get men who are now women telling women who were never men who they are and what they must be and how they get to be defined.

And if that wasn’t enough, now race is being used as a trans ally. Because it isn’t enough to simply label someone as transphobic, the insinuation is that they are being racist also.

and biologically female she has the privilege that comes with that as opposed to others who aren't?

Are you suggesting that females have privilege over males?

Because that is not how the power axis has operated for a millennia.

Got it in one, @ripples101. It's all connected, and nothing is what it appears to be on the surface.

Because it isn’t enough to simply label someone as transphobic, the insinuation is that they are being racist also.

I very much agree with this. I do think that was the insinuation. And it is abhorrent.

And in the same way that BLM isn't particularly interested in black lives, as far as I can see, TRA aren't particularly interested in trans lives either. And they are certainly not interested in "cis, white female lives".

Instead we get men who are now women telling women who were never men who they are and what they must be and how they get to be defined

I really like how you have put that OP. Shows the male entitlement clearly for what it is. It’s odd how there is no insulting or threatening behaviour from transmen towards men, no equivalent phenomenon ordering men to budge up and shut up or else face consequences.

and biologically female she has the privilege that comes with that as opposed to others who aren't?

Are you suggesting that females have privilege over males?

No, I never mentioned males.
I said females who are white and biologically female could be seen as having privilege over those who aren't, kind of a white and biological privilege

Welcome to Mumsnet, OP.

You can call us women, here. Nobody will take offense at the correct usage of the word.

When I saw Bergdorf’s post about JKR I thought exactly the same.

It is sad to think that it is so easy to now block voices that question proactively and keep us, as humans, thinking and adapting to new information and new thoughts.

The purity spirals are getting tighter and tighter in so many aspects of life.

Slight tangent.

I saw a video of a transwoman at the BLM march last Sat. This person very clearly stated that this march was about transwomen of colour. Not a word about transmen.

The hierarchy of the victim Olympics appears to me to be prioritising one group above others (men, again) in the BLM movement.

I also saw a black woman who was really pissed off. I'm not sure it won't be long before it all implodes.

'biological privilege' - how's that, then?

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

Muslims are not responsible for ISIS, Jews are not responsible for the Israeli government, Lesbians are not responsible for the Ellen DeGeneres Show, Northerners are not responsible for Owen Jones and you are not responsible for the grifters who are pushing this bollocks.

Sorry that happened to you ripples

No, I never mentioned males.
I said females who are white and biologically female could be seen as having privilege over those who aren't, kind of a white and biological privilege

I have no idea what you are trying to say here? The opposite of biologically female is male. There isn't anything else.

Females do not and have never had biological privilege.

Erm..... as in trans?
They don't have the biological privilege?
That's what I mean when I say biological.
I could use the c word to make it clearer for you, but I'm not particularly a fan of it myself and I know it's a banned word anyway on here as I'm not the only one who doesn't much like it.

How does a woman have a 'biological privilege'? Can you spell it out for me?

Erm..... as in trans?
They don't have the biological privilege?
That's what I mean when I say biological.
I could use the c word to make it clearer for you, but I'm not particularly a fan of it myself and I know it's a banned word anyway on here as I'm not the only one who doesn't much like it.

See my earlier post about this is not how the axis of power has worked for a millennia.

Females do not have privilege over males no matter what a male person calls themselves or what nonsense terms they ascribe to female people.

Women having biological privilege over trans women? That’s a new one on me, how does that work then, when I’m paying for sanitary products that trans women don’t need to buy, is that a privilege? When I’m carrying a child and I’m so ill I have to take unpaid sick leave from off work, is that a privilege? When I’m running in a race I have no hope of winning against a transwoman, is that a privilege? When I’m groped whilst walking along the street in broad daylight, is that a privilege?

If this is privilege trans women can have it.

Females do not have privilege over males no matter what a male person calls themselves or what nonsense terms they ascribe to female people

I've never even mentioned males!
Sorry, but what are you on about?
I'm talking about WOMEN - white biological women who could be seen as having a privilege over black, trans women!
Even if you don't want to admit that could be true.
You're the one who keeps talking about males

Exactly what privilege do women have over men who identity as women?

It’s not our sexed bodies because we are told they are irrelevant. But if that’s the idea
Fertility - not all women
Body hair - PCOS
Feminine features and body shape - not all women

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