Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Why would you assume that because someone is white they have privilege? Thats actually racist

White privilege denying? That's what's racist?
Right.
OK.

Why has the OP been silenced?

OP hasn't been silenced, FFS - they're still allowed to post!
OP asked what was wrong with what they said,I offered an opinion as to what could have been taken offence at, and you get all this bollocks as everyone pretends they can't understand what you're saying.

What are your views, if any, on MB using her platforms to silence the OP, Lemon

OP hasn't been silenced though.
Can still post.
Maybe Munroe blocked as she can't be arsed anymore, probably gets all these "can't understand wot you're saying" posts and attacks daily and just thought CBA?
I dunno, I'm not her.
All I know is I don't blame her, I probably would as well if I got daily shit for being trans.

@TheSingingKettle49 ^Women having biological privilege over trans women? That’s a new one on me, how does that work then, when I’m paying for sanitary products that trans women don’t need to buy, is that a privilege? When I’m carrying a child and I’m so ill I have to take unpaid sick leave from off work, is that a privilege? When I’m running in a race I have no hope of winning against a transwoman, is that a privilege? When I’m groped whilst walking along the street in broad daylight, is that a privilege?

If this is privilege trans women can have it.^

I do sometimes think when I see a trans woman talking about feeling like they’re unsafe and at risk of violence from men “Well, you wanted to be a woman, didn’t you? This, unfortunately, is part of it!”

Very little privilege involved! Unless they mean that we’re privileged over trans people with gender dysphoria? I guess we are not exactly privileged but lucky if we don’t suffer from that particular condition. But so many “trans” people don’t either now!

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

OP hasn't been silenced, FFS

It appears MB did silence the OP, a trans person. Did you maybe misunderstand the point being made?

Not only did Bergdorf involve Rowling’s race in the debate, Bergdorf also tweeted the ridiculous and offensive lie that Rowling took her pen name Robert Galbraith from the name of someone who did conversion therapy whose middle name was Galbraith.

Bergdorf will sling any mud in the hope it sticks, because Bergdorf is an unpleasant individual. The most important thing is to talk about is how awful Bergdorf thinks Rowling is rather than the facts Rowling raised, such as the fact children are being rendered sterile and asexual from hormone treatment.

“Look over there at that racist woman! Don’t look here at the damage being done to children!”

Because I was bored and also noticed the comment that Women are being murdered at alarming rate I also looked that up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender

It would appear that in 95% of countries, male murder victims outnumber female murder victims. Assuming roughly equal splits in all countries (although I know it's far-from-perfect), men are murdered at a higher rate than women, so it seems incorrect to suggest that women too are being murdered at an alarming rate to mean disproportionate, whereas they would appear to be murdered at a disproportionately low rate. Perhaps the most generically dull-yet-accurate statement would be that people are being murdered at an alarming rate.

If I were JK I'd sue every fucker who repeated that unsubstantiated lie for defamation, and win.

But luckily for them, I'm not.

What about the rest of the world?
Millions of female foetuses are aborted due to preference for male children.
Child brides.
Women dying in menstruation huts.
FGM.
The lost undocumented women courtesy of China’s one child policy.
Life sentences for not wearing the veil in Iran.

All due to sexism.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains ah, so you didn't miss my question.

You just can't answer it without your head exploding with cognitive dissonance.

so it seems incorrect to suggest that women too are being murdered at an alarming rate

Not sure anyone did? That's unless you count female infanticide, of course.

The point is that MTF trans people are murdered less than other males, and in most places less than females. And much less than other black males and females.

Just a few days ago, MB used her platforms to defend a white man who had tweeted highly offensive comments about a trans person. The sort of comments that I have never seen a feminist make. Yet there she was, defending him with no mention of his race, his maleness or the harm that those comments would have mysteriously done to the trans community if they'd have come from a woman's mouth.

Indeed yet given some of the comments MB has made online it would be hypocritical for them not to forgive past "sins" would it not?

Bluntly, I don't understand why people fawn/appease/support/coalesce around MB.

They have shared many (I'll be kind) very poorly judged comments that have resulted in them losing numerous positions with brands/organisations.

I don't think MB does trans rights any favours with their overall rhetoric.

Not sure anyone did?

The quote came from a post by averysuitablegirl

Men murder men more than they murder women. Men murder women more than they murder transwomen. Have I got that right?

ripples101 thanks once again for starting this thread. I'm sorry that MB blocked you on Twitter, although you stand in the esteemed company of Anyone Who Has Ever Said Something That MB Doesn't Agree With.

It's become a horrible medium, but I can understand why people return again and again because of its scale and reach.

@JellyFishSquish

Men murder men more than they murder women. Men murder women more than they murder transwomen. Have I got that right?

Looks like it.

Bloody men.

Shawbles indeed it did. Given that it's a feminist board and all, I thought I'd centre women.

Women are being murdered at an alarming rate. So are men.

What they have in common is that it is men who are doing the murdering.

And yet women are the worst and must die in a grease fire. Get it.

Shawbles indeed it did. Given that it's a feminist board and all, I thought I'd centre women.

Women are being murdered at an alarming rate. So are men.

What they have in common is that it is men who are doing the murdering.

Perfectly put.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

Look up the term "purity spiral", OP, it explains a lot about some of what's happening on Twitter. At this point I'm assuming the cancellations will continue until there are about 5 people left, all of whom are trying to figure out a way to cancel the other 4.

Oooh.

There was a massive purity spiral over the Brighton trans ‘vigil’ for GRA reforms last weekend (no, I don’t know why they called it a vigil either).

It got cancelled the day before because there were no black trans speakers on the bill. The organisers had tried to find some black trans speakers after the complaints started, and made contact with some kind of org or group who turned them down due to being too busy/too exhausted/only being asked at the last minute, and as this wasn’t deemed an acceptable excuse the whole thing was cancelled.

It was mundane, rainy British seaside version of this, through the medium of Facebook comments:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/black-lives-matter-toronto-pride_n_577c15aee4b0a629c1ab0ab4?ri18n=true

To use a coronavirus-era-phrase, does this mean Brighton is 4 years behind Toronto?

www.gscene.com/news/trans-gra-vigil-cancelled/

@averysuitablegirl

Shawbles indeed it did. Given that it's a feminist board and all, I thought I'd centre women.

Women are being murdered at an alarming rate. So are men.

What they have in common is that it is men who are doing the murdering.

Also, Transwomen have a similar rate of criminal offending as men, so will be some of the ones committing the murders. (Note:for those who have difficultly with reading comprehension - this is not saying that all trans people are criminals/murderers, the same way it is not saying that all men are criminals/murderes).

@averysuitablegirl

Shawbles indeed it did. Given that it's a feminist board and all, I thought I'd centre women.

Women are being murdered at an alarming rate. So are men.

What they have in common is that it is men who are doing the murdering.

I entirely understand why you'd put women first on this board. But the alarming rate just doesn't stand up to scrutiny unless you're comparing against a hypothetical perfect, murder-free world.

www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

The US murder rate has been broadly stable for the last 20 years, slightly lower in the last 10 years, and is getting on for half what it was in the 70s and 80s in the US (I know the US isn't the centre of the world, but it is large and has lots of violent crime compared to the UK). So, not only are women are significantly lower proportion of murder victims, the absolute numbers are also going down, which to my mind is good news, rather than alarming.

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