Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

[Kelcat9494]

Hello,

Firstly I want to say I am not attacking anyone on this forum and I expect the same respect as we are all entitled to an opinion and I am genuinely interested in the reasons why transgender people get so much hate on here:

Firstly I see a lot about not wanting to share bathrooms with trans women as it's a women's safe space - I don't really understand this because to be honest when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me, it's all very private as you know. The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone) but in reality a trans person is more at risk in the bathroom and you have no idea whether they are pre op or post op as again in the bathrooms I've been in we don't show each other our genitalia. They are genuinely just doing their human business in the same room as you so don't understand the problem, actually I suppose people are afraid some odd men would use being transgender as an excuse to use the woman's bathroom but that's not trans women's fault also by this logic if we don't want trans women in the bathroom then we should have transmen in there (either pre op or post op), I've posted some pictures below of transmen and woman, would you really want the trans women in men's bathroom and the transmen in the womens?? (I can only post three but you get my point).

I know JKRowling posted about periods and a lot of people jumped on it to say only women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it? Some biological women aren't able to have periods or carry a pregnancy or be able to give birth so if we don't see that as a problem as we recognise it's a biological issue then why is trans-men having a period a problem and trans women not having one an issue? And who actually cares? There's enough tampax to go around, maybe let's focus on making them free for women and transmen as I for one is sick of paying for a "luxury item" I need every month due to no fault of my own.

I can't think of anymore off the top of my head that's been posted but anything in the comments I'm happy to reply to but I genuinely think this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through, imagine not feeling like you're in the right body, being attacked and hated for who you are and it's obviously not for fun and games because transgender people actually commit suicide over the issues they face remember #bekind and really think how sharing a bathroom or sharing a tampax would affect you? I don't think you'd kill yourself over it.

I thought these stats did not identify whether they were transmen or transwomen? The report I read just referred to 125 transgender prisoners - where are you seeing the information that they are all natal male, now transwomen?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/

Ministry of Justice (MoJ) figures in November said there were 139 transgender prisoners in 44 jails. Of the 42 in women’s jails, 22 were men who identified as female, while in male prisons 92 of the 97 were men identifying as women.

So according to these figures, out of 139 transgender prisoners, at least 114 are male. I say at least, because I understood that female transgender prisoners wouldn't be placed in men's prisons, because it obviously wouldn't be safe for them. So the other 5 prisoners in male prisons might be men who are non-binary or gender fluid or some other gender (out of the 985 or however many there are now).

I totally agree

I was replying to Marzipan who said they had been cheered up!

You might want to report your post Painterpatty.
If reported you will be deleted for trollhunting. They are free to troll but we are not allowed to talk about it except to the mods when we report it.

Placemarking .

I'm still learning OP, but one thing that strikes me is that many transwomen seem uncomfortable sharing changing rooms with heterosexual men but don't seem to care whether women feel uncomfortable sharing changing rooms with them.

@HeistSociety

Because I don't come here to see images of half undressed people exemplifying gender stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, and the photos have nothing to do with feminism.

The point of them is to demonstrate how cosmetic surgery makes females into a manly stereotype, and males into a female stereotype - but feminists reject the stereotypes altogether, and certainly don't find cleaving to gender stereotypes 'successfully' as evidence that sex is mutable.

Exactly this

Because I don't come here to see images of half undressed people exemplifying gender stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, and the photos have nothing to do with feminism. But it did start a quite inolved conversation and, regardless of anyones intentions, it is all there to see, explained yet again.

It’s an imported Americanism that doesn’t really apply - just makes me assume that whoever is using it hasn’t really thought through what they are saying, they are just repeating something they’ve read elsewhere.

This. It's quite telling.

HeistSociety that was my first thought too. I haven't read the thread but did report the first post as I also don't want to see a photo of a man starting to take his trousers off.

The fact the poster put up photos is another male kind of thing really - men are quite visual sexually perhaps more than women . I expect we can cope with the photo of underpants however.

I see no hate on this thread at all - just interesting discussion.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Because I don't come here to see images of half undressed people exemplifying gender stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, and the photos have nothing to do with feminism. But it did start a quite inolved conversation and, regardless of anyones intentions, it is all there to see, explained yet again.

Some of us have reasons for not wanting to click on a thread and see a picture of a manly person of presumably female sex with hands down their pants. That's surely not hard to understand?

It's not a difficult request for the OP to take on.

@averysuitablegirl

HeistSociety that was my first thought too. I haven't read the thread but did report the first post as I also don't want to see a photo of a man starting to take his trousers off.

I assume it won't be removed unless the OP requests it.

I've reported my post and asked for it to be removed as my intention was never to upset anyone, it seems a lot of google searches show topless trans men because of top surgery maybe? I don't know but I have requested for my post to be removed and I've screenshotted the comments I want to look at later.

@Kelcat9494

I've reported my post and asked for it to be removed as my intention was never to upset anyone, it seems a lot of google searches show topless trans men because of top surgery maybe? I don't know but I have requested for my post to be removed and I've screenshotted the comments I want to look at later.

Thank you OP. It's just the images, not the entire post. Much appreciate your thoughtfulness in doing that.

@MNHQ please don’t delete the OP. This is a very good thread with a lot of great discussion.

Just the photos removed would be great.

Yes, hear hear. The OP's actual post is referenced so many times that deleting it will gut the thread at the start, which would be a shame. Just the pictures going is fine, because people can work out what they were from what is said about them in replies.

I hope this post doesn't get removed, though I agree the pictures aren't really appropriate. Must be difficult for OP to keep getting messages upbraiding her after she's already acknowledged that she wasn't fully informed when posting it though!

I think the problem is that it does read exactly like one of those frequent passive-aggressive troll posts made by someone who has absolutely no interest in the answers to the questions they are asking. I was pleasantly surprised by OP's subsequent posts!

Your original post is completely wrong!

Most women DO support trans women. We’re not afraid of them and we’re not afraid of them to be in our spaces providing they too don’t have a penis.

What we ARE afraid of is the straight biological men who are not trans using this gateway to gain access to female only spaces...hence women are women!

Most women DO support trans women..

Really?

Could you link to the research?

@HeistSociety

Also OP, can you get your original post edited to remove the photos please?

Quoting myself to remind mods that I only asked for the photos to be removed.

@Prawnofthepatriarchy What thoughtful sons you have raised.

I grew up with a great Dad and a couple of brothers; I have two ADS’s. I’m not uncomfortable around men generally.
However, I was out walking with my dog this morning, rural fields, there had been a shower but I was getting hot in my waterproof jacket.
As I went to unzip it I realised there was a man walking towards me and waited until he has passed before I did so.
Why? I had a automatic compulsion to wait because I did not want to appear to be flaunting my breasts and draw attention to them.
This is from years, aged 13 onwards, of my breasts being commented on, leered at and groped without permission.
I definitely don’t want to share a toilet or a changing room with a man.

Most transwomen, 9 in 10 have Their male genitalia. The sexual offending rate of transwomen is the same as men who don’t identify as a transwomen. The rate of offending in unisex facilities is greater than single sex facilities. We have rules for reasons!

They have said they can't remove the thread which is good as there's some very interesting points but I've requested to remove the photos