Please tell me about JK Rowling

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There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

She said she loves and supports trans people and your son said that’s horrendous? What a little bigot your son is! Goodness! Imagine being the parent of a child that openly declared hatred for someone supporting trans people!
(And women)
Yeah op. I’d be embarrassed about his level of critical thinking. Do better.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

Indeed, whenever I look in the mirror I’m surprised by the person in it, and have always been. This is a problem I have to cone to terms with, without chopping bits off, constantly making myself up to look like someone else on my Instagram account, and invoking a whole load of me me me identity politics. I’d far rather wear men’s jeans and actually have them fit like men’s jeans. Doesn’t get away from the immutable and inescapable fact that I’m a woman.

*come to terms ... not cone

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I kind of agree with this, but I think society is in danger of confusing two things:

1. People with severe, lifelong gender dysphoria (as you say, likely innate) who may need medical treatment to feel happy in themselves ... I think these people exist but it is rare

2. People who are somewhat gender non-conforming (I imagine a combination of innate and societal) - covering many disparate groups of people, most of whom are generally okay with their physical body and traditionally have not required medical treatment - who are now being subsumed under the "trans" label and some heading down a medical route

My first thought on reading the OP was ‘who listens seriously to a 13 year old parroting what a YouTuber has to say?’

And then I thought, the Tavistock & Portman clinic, that’s who.

@SapphosRock

There has been a 4000% increase In teenage girls being referred to gender clinics. If that’s the true incidence, there where are all the middle aged women realising that they are actually men? There should be thousands, and yet later transitioners are almost exclusively male.

What about the detransition rates, and the fact referred children are overwhelmingly same sex attracted and 48% are autistic?

And that clinicians are resigning saying they’re concerned that they are setting gay, autistic and traumatised kids on an irreversible medical pathway?

Nothing there that merits further exploration? Only explanation for concerns about all of that is horrible bigotry?

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Unpopular opinion I know.

Not at all. My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

@SapphosRock

Yet here I am now just fine with being a woman and have had children.

There's your answer. You are clearly not transgender.

OMG how can we ever know? If transitioning had been an option I would have taken it and possibly been happy as a trans man. We can never know, and for absolute certain we should not ever tell children that it's an option. A law that says at 18 years old you can choose. Before then live and dress as you wish, be called what you wish but no drugs and no surgery til 18. And that's after talking to qualified people many many times.

I still don't do all the stereotypical "woman" things tw seem to think are so defining. No lipstick or nail polish, no sexy lingerie, no high heels, no hair dye, hairdresser maybe once a year. So I am gender-non-conforming, whatever that means.

Yep. Same here. Woman are not defined by their hair, clothes and makeup. They are defined by their biological reality. Which is why we never get a rational answer when asking tw the question what is a woman.

You see, there are an extraordinary number of children who are being told to pick Cinderella or GI Joe, and getting it wrong. Obviously. I can't emphasise that 'obviously', enough. This is a scandal that needs to stop.

And then there are children whose parents are homophobic or whose peers are homophobic or who are themselves homophobic. And need to transition to be heterosexual.

Then there are autistic children who don't feel like they fit in anywhere and think they might be trans as a result.

And of course there are children and young adults, who have suffered from some kind of sexual abuse and want to stop being the sex they are as they think that might put an end to it.

Gender dysphoria can arise out of all these things.

All these things need to be addressed.

Gender dysphoria is a solution or reaction to several problems.

[quote SapphosRock]titchy true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much which led me to Google it. Found quite an interesting article from a trans man who transitioned at 54 who had previously been fairly happy as a lesbian:

www.trans.cafe/posts/2016/7/11/i-transitioned-at-54-here-are-the-lessons-i-learned[/quote]
If they were happy then why did they transition?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation

We should never transition children anyway, but where there may be outside influences that we cant even guess at, definitely no drugs, no surgery.

I posted this on the Glinner thread. This is my experience.

I'm sure there are a vanishingly few children that actually do know from a relatively young age that they feel like the wrong sex

Yep, I’ll hold my hand up and say I’m one of them. I KNEW for certain, in my very earliest memories (and backed up by myriad family recollections) I absolutely did not want to be a girl. I felt more like a boy, liked boy things. That feeling only grew stronger as I matured, peaking very painfully when I hit puberty.

Spoiler — im not a transman. I now know what drove those feelings. Transitioning would have made it worse, in the long run. But it would have given me a temporary fix that I estimate would have felt great, and lasted about 5 years.

So, far from being evil. T3RFS who don’t believe in trans people, many of us are actually trying to warn that the current dysphoria screening process isn’t fit for purpose and 5 to 10 years down the line theres going to be an utter shitstorm of legal action from all the poor bastards who were led down the garden path by well meaning, but misguided people.

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It’s almost irrelevant who is true trans and who isn’t, there’s scores of us on here saying ‘that would have been me‘

So, how do we tell the difference? Now, when we are screening teens and preteens for treatment since we know, from experience, sheer intensity of feeling isn’t it, neither is age of onset.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

True then, and true now, for me. Like a pp I am male in many of my dreams.

Im still mildly shocked by what I see in the mirror.

Yes, I was called a 'tomboy', and was very, very sure I never wanted children. Luckily, no one was around to give me medication that would have rendered my healthy body ill and infertile because now I think being a mother has been the best thing in my whole life.

I definitely didn't know enough about life to make that irreversible decision then.

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling’s post sums it up perfectly 👌

My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous

Well, I mean some of the plots and characterisation in the HP series was a bit weak, but this is predominantly a parenting forum, and she got a lot of reluctant readers reading, so I can see why she’s popular.

Not that?

Oh.

true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much

Exactly. Ergo it's not inter-generational. All these teenage and younger girls claiming gender dysphoria that we have now, where were they 20/30 years ago? At the height of section 28 - and yet they didn't exist.

The stuff about wizards shitting themselves is a joke ..... isn’t it?

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Like how I have spent a lot of time thinking that I'm fat when I'm actually quite underweight, and how I hated my big hips and thought they didn't belong on me, and how my breasts changed since I had a baby while I feel like I should have big round symmetrical ones, and how I think I have a deeper voice than I do and get an unpleasant surprise when I hear myself on a recording. I'm also a fantastic singer until heard, and my daughter is literally Spiderman.

Also, not sure how girl dicks and the female penis fit in.

My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

I can't pretend to understand it but I imagine it's how I would feel as a woman to look in the mirror and see a beard, hairy chest and penis. It would feel weird and wrong.

@DisappearingGirl

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I kind of agree with this, but I think society is in danger of confusing two things:

1. People with severe, lifelong gender dysphoria (as you say, likely innate) who may need medical treatment to feel happy in themselves ... I think these people exist but it is rare

2. People who are somewhat gender non-conforming (I imagine a combination of innate and societal) - covering many disparate groups of people, most of whom are generally okay with their physical body and traditionally have not required medical treatment - who are now being subsumed under the "trans" label and some heading down a medical route

Absolutely agree.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive

For talking about her own experiences? Shouldn't people be allowed to discuss their own experiences for fear of offending someone else then? Even if that experience could help someone else? Don't those people matter? I would think undoubtedly if someone makes the wrong decision about transitioning then their feelings about their ruined health would be way over and above feeling patronised and dismissed.

I was called George for five years and seriously considered legal action against the Royal Marines for not allowing me to join with no penis. If someone had told me the crap they are peddling to teenage girls today I would absolutely have considered changing sex. I’m the mother of three children now. And have had the conversation about sex being real and immutable with one of them. (Quick, line up the glitter family).
Comes to something when the truth is banned and lies are heralded as a bright new dawn.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive

That's no reason for women to be quiet about abuse at the hands of men. What exactly does talking about our abuse have to do with trans people anyway, and why do you keep dismissing the many people on here who would have been transed only a few years ago?