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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please tell me about JK Rowling

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Feathered · 30/06/2020 12:18

There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

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Datun · 30/06/2020 13:49

Advanced search makes me think the OP is probably not a TRA or a GF.

But I sincerely hope that they show the tweets reacting to J. K. Rowling saying sex is real, to their son.

And just think for one single minute, that these are the men clamouring to get into women and girls toilets and changing rooms.

These are the men demanding that women as a sex class have no voice. These are the men refusing to allow boundaries for women that men do not have a right to breach.

If the OP's son is fine with that, then I think that tells her all she needs to know.

TheSingingKettle49 · 30/06/2020 13:59

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FannyCann · 30/06/2020 14:14

To be fair I still haven’t forgiven her for telling us all that Wizards used to just shit themselves before indoor plumbing was invented

Whaaatt???

But the Basilisk was in the plumbing at Hogwarts and there was a Room of Requirement should a wizard get caught short.

Lamahaha · 30/06/2020 14:17

To me it's interesting that "what Rowling wrote" or "what Rowling said" or "what Rowling tweeted" has been converted to "what Rowling has done".

The very "done" to me implies, you know, some kind of action. I can sit on a chair all day and write "horrendous" things on my laptop, but I still haven't "done" anything. I haven't maimed or whipped or torutured or killed anyone. I would use the word "horrendous" for perhaps some horrible Nazi criminal or, you know, an actual rapist and/or murderous. Not somebody who wrote or said something, no matter how ugly their words.
As far as I know Rowling "did" nothing more than sit at her computer ans write something that people objected to. Why does this these days count as "doing something horrendous"?

I'm sorry for the off-topic reflections, but I am interested in words and their usage and to me it is fascinating how, in these days writing words counts as actual actions. Is it because we, and especially the younger generation, have become so bound to our devices?

It's really quite sad. I wish people would get out and actually "do" more things; though of course in times of Covid it's not easy.

andyoldlabour · 30/06/2020 14:19

I was hoping to ask the OP how old her DS is, but I suspect we will not be hearing anything more from the OP.

Z0rr0 · 30/06/2020 14:28

YES @Lamahaha!!
Still trying to fathom how one person's opinions somehow invalidate another person's entire existence / identity.

Coyoacan · 30/06/2020 14:33

I love you lot. Nobody has to explain JK Rowling as she explains herself perfectly.

Dyrne · 30/06/2020 14:39

@FannyCann

To be fair I still haven’t forgiven her for telling us all that Wizards used to just shit themselves before indoor plumbing was invented

Whaaatt???

But the Basilisk was in the plumbing at Hogwarts and there was a Room of Requirement should a wizard get caught short.

Yeah I don’t really know where she was going with it. Could have had them using a long drop like the muggles did and vanishing that away but nope, it seemed pretty important for her to specify that wizards literally just stood there and shat themselves.
ThePurported · 30/06/2020 15:02

"Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?"

Tbh I read that as yet another poster who doesn't have a clue about what is going on and automatically assumes that their kids know more than any woman could Grin

But yes Lamahaha the language thing is interesting, it reminded me of 'literal violence'. And it has that unpleasant look what you have done narc vibe.

TheShoesa · 30/06/2020 15:12

Z0rr0 that is something that puzzles me too.

Still trying to fathom how one person's opinions somehow invalidate another person's entire existence / identity

If someone inadvertently referred to me as male (I have a deep voice and heavy features) I would correct them if the situation needed it or think no more of it. I am a woman, regardless of another person's perception of me.

If someone's inner sense of identity is so strong in the trans narrative 'I always knew I was a man/woman but my body didn't match that' sense, then why does a random stranger's perception or opinion to the contrary matter?

Campervan69 · 30/06/2020 15:15

Probably the Sirius thing. Can't think of anything horrendous she has done since then. Poor Harry. No wonder he's confused nowadays.

nicetnice · 30/06/2020 16:39

I know....She had Hermione choosing Ron over Harry. Completely horrendous, Ron was a grumpy pig for most of the books. What could Hermione possibly have seen in him.

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BovaryX · 30/06/2020 16:50

Lamaha
Great post. The words used to describe JKR's letter are interesting. They indicate a failure to differentiate between words and actions. And an absurd penchant for hyperbole, which seems to be a recurrent theme.....

When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.

EdgeOfACoin · 30/06/2020 17:02

Jammidodger is Jamie, quite a personable trans man with a following on YouTube. Generally comes across as very likeable (to me, anyway).

I can absolutely see why younger people might look up to Jamie. However, Jamie is critical of JK Rowling, the gender critical perspective and has used the word TERF.

SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 17:22

Seeing as the OP has disappeared I'll highlight the bit of JK's essay I find objectionable:

I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people. She also appears to dismiss being transgender as some kind of social media trend.

Not the way to win friends and influence people in my humble opinion.

SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 17:29

It's like a straight woman saying:

'I had crushes on girls when I at school but I'm now happily married to a man. I wonder if I'd have been born 30 years later I could have been lured into lesbianism'

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 17:30

I’ve still not forgiven her for killing off a Weasley Twin.

Bananabixfloof · 30/06/2020 17:32

@SapphosRock

Seeing as the OP has disappeared I'll highlight the bit of JK's essay I find objectionable:

I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people. She also appears to dismiss being transgender as some kind of social media trend.

Not the way to win friends and influence people in my humble opinion.

Will my experience of gender dysphoria be ok? When I spent a couple of years convinced I must be a boy around 1984 ish. If the internet had been available and I'd been allowed on, I easily could have transitioned. I was also badly abused as a child and would happily have skipped along to be a boy/man.

And for your last point, we're not here to win friends and influence people, stop being so womany. And I'm bloody sure that JK doesn't need friends or to influence people. She's quite famous enough and rich enough to not need approval from anyone.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 17:32

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SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 17:35

Fake news hey? Is that you Donald Trump?

Datun · 30/06/2020 17:35

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people. She also appears to dismiss being transgender as some kind of social media trend.

There seem to be quite a few girls who have de-transitioned during lockdown. Teachers and parents putting it down to the removal of peer pressure.

And of course, who can forget the 76 children in one school all claiming to be trans, or the 10 girls coming out simultaneously in one class at a well known girls' school.

And I don't know if you have trouble reading, saphos, but she didn't say she understands all trans people. What a bizarre thing for you to claim.

TheSingingKettle49 · 30/06/2020 17:43

I’m sure I’m not the only girl who thought boys had it easier around secondary school age, and I can see how I easily could have been led to believe I was born in the wrong body had it been a widely normalised concept 30 years ago, I didn’t like typically girly things, all my friends were boys, I desperately wanted not to be seen as weak and girly, add to that knowing how stubborn and single minded I was as a teenager.

Fanthorpe · 30/06/2020 17:45

That’s not my reading of that part of the essay at all. She’s describing how she felt rejection from her father so if she’d had the means to explore how to find his acceptance she might have taken it as a possible solution. Having OCD was a description of her anxiety.

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SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 17:53

To be fair Datun that is a good point. Peer pressure is certainly a thing and I think JK is coming from a good place.

However if I read that as a trans person I'd feel angry and misunderstood.

Just as I'd feel annoyed if JK alluded to lesbianism being a social media craze and the result of peer pressure because she had OCD as a teenager and didn't fancy boys at the time.