Please tell me about JK Rowling

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There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

Just as I'd feel annoyed if JK alluded to lesbianism being a social media craze and the result of peer pressure because she had OCD as a teenager and didn't fancy boys at the time.

She didn't say that, so you're kind of arguing with yourself in a mirror.

I'm not sure how anyone can deny there will definitely be children for whom it's a trend, when they're presented with a series of cartoon figures, with Cinderella at one end and GI Jo at the other, and on the basis of what they pick, they might be trans.

Sapphos, it really needs repeating that if you refuse to allow that many women went through a trans phase as teenagers and then grew out of it, then there is no evidence at all that trans is natural and innate , it can only be social as if it was innate and natural it would exists in all generations

Eh midgebabe? Being trans does exist in all generations?

Some pre-schoolers insist they are the opposite sex and my DW knows a trans person in their late 80s

How are we to determine which children and teens have gender dysphoria and which ones are going through a phase of some sort? Which ones should go on puberty blockers?

The Tavistock's own figures show that what is it, 80 or 90% of children grow out of it.

Presumably J. K. Rowling could easily have been one of those 90%.

There must be, quite literally, hundreds of thousands of not millions of girls who would not pick the Cinderella girl! There shouldn't even be the smidgen of an iota of a hint that there is anything wrong with them.

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people.

She doesn't. She talks about her own experience and wonders if her own experience would have been different 30 years later. See the difference? I identified as a boy for some years as a child. I wore boys clothes, took a boy's name, and requested people referred to me by that name. Past adolescence I no longer felt that way. I have no doubt that I would have been set down a transitioning pathway had this experience been now. And it would have been the wrong decision. There's plenty of people that have gone down this pathway and very much regretted it. And this is very important because once a medical transition had occurred there's no going back. People need to be clear about these lifelong decisions and what it will mean. And people that have had these experiences with gender dysphoria are equally valid in this debate. Not just those who are happy with their transition.

Some pre-schoolers insist they are the opposite sex and my DW knows a trans person in their late 80s

Perhaps the females made the mistake of picking the GI Joe, and the males made the mistake of picking the Cinderella?

The fact that this is being taught to children in school, at the same time as children showing up at gender clinics going up by 4000%, is a dot connecting exercise that even my dog could make.

In his sleep.

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people.

And yet men are qualified to know what it's like to be a woman 🤣🤣🤣

I'd think she probably knows what would have influenced her as a teen.

I'm another one who played at being a boy. I know how stubborn I was. I definitely would have gone down the trans pathway and probably fought to the death for it too, before turning out actually just be an autistic misfit.

Being trans does exist in all generations

Where are all the middle aged women transitioning to men then?

How are we to determine which children and teens have gender dysphoria and which ones are going through a phase of some sort? Which ones should go on puberty blockers?

Good question. I would say the ones that dye their hair blue and insist on gender neutral pronouns, leave them to it. They'll grow out of it. The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously.

However if I read that as a trans person I'd feel angry and misunderstood

Just as I'd feel annoyed if JK alluded to lesbianism being a social media craze and the result of peer pressure because she had OCD as a teenager and didn't fancy boys at the time

Im fed up of telling pro twaw people about my 2 years thinking I must be a boy and either being misunderstood or ignored because it doesn't fit the twaw narrative. My feelings back then were strong enough that had transitioning been an option I would have done it. Yet here I am now just fine with being a woman and have had children.

What your on about with jkr, lesbian and OCD I do not know. But it makes fuck all sense

Yet here I am now just fine with being a woman and have had children.

There's your answer. You are clearly not transgender.

@titchy

I don't know why but I have never thought of it like that. Indeed, where are they?

The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously

Even that gets complicated when there's family dynamics involved though. Which can still lead to the potentially abusive transitioning of a child. A lot more input needs to be put in from gender identity clinics, an assessment not just of the child, but a thorough assessment of the family/ their school environment / their friendship groups / their social media use and so on as well. Transitioning a child should never ever be taken lightly without thorough checks and comprehensive assessments in place.

The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously.

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

@Eveta

Arrogant and frankly bizarre to claim her experience of OCD as a teenager qualifies her to understand the feelings and experiences of all transgender people.

She doesn't. She talks about her own experience and wonders if her own experience would have been different 30 years later. See the difference? I identified as a boy for some years as a child. I wore boys clothes, took a boy's name, and requested people referred to me by that name. Past adolescence I no longer felt that way. I have no doubt that I would have been set down a transitioning pathway had this experience been now. And it would have been the wrong decision. There's plenty of people that have gone down this pathway and very much regretted it. And this is very important because once a medical transition had occurred there's no going back. People need to be clear about these lifelong decisions and what it will mean. And people that have had these experiences with gender dysphoria are equally valid in this debate. Not just those who are happy with their transition.

I was just the same, aged 10! Had my hair cut and told everyone to call me a certain boy's name. Everyone did as I asked and for four years of my life I had a boy's name -- even when I changed to secondary school, that was the name I was called. My mother added it as a middle name to my birth certificate. Four years later I dropped it completely. It was great fun, doing "boy's" things and not having to play with dolls or wear those sticky-out petticoats and dresses that were all the rage for girls in the 50's! Thing is, though, nobody, myself included, believed that I really WAS a boy. I was still me, just different to other girls.

I later became a girl again, and grew up to be a woman who loves living in her female body, loved the whole mothering thing, and now am a proper Granny.

I still don't do all the stereotypical "woman" things tw seem to think are so defining. No lipstick or nail polish, no sexy lingerie, no high heels, no hair dye, hairdresser maybe once a year. So I am gender-non-conforming, whatever that means.

I would definitely have been transed in the current climate. And it would have been wrong.

And I am speaking only for myself and what I went through; I don't even pretend to speak today's transing children. This was MY experience, and JK wrote about HER experience.

Anyone who sees an insult in this or is offended -- well, I suggest their problem goes deeper than gender dysphoria. That level of sensitivity is not healthy.
But I think you are offended on behalf of other people?

So the single point made by JKR that Sappho is here to denounce as arrogant hate etc. was actually Sappho lying about the words she had actually cut and pasted above her own words.

And then goes on to complain about a lesbian comment no one has made.

This is the standard of bullshit that comes with the world of trans. Dishonesty and ridiculousness.

Some pre-schoolers insist they are the opposite sex and my DW knows a trans person in their late 80s

When my son was a pre schooler he insisted he was a train. We had to call him Thomas (as in Tank Engine) for months!

titchy true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much which led me to Google it. Found quite an interesting article from a trans man who transitioned at 54 who had previously been fairly happy as a lesbian:

www.trans.cafe/posts/2016/7/11/i-transitioned-at-54-here-are-the-lessons-i-learned

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Unpopular opinion I know.

my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous Is your son Daniel Radcliffe? You must be so proud..

And the OP hasn't been back.

Surprise surprise.

I am so sick of all this faux 'can someone please explain to me because I'm too much of a silly lady to read the information and form my own opinion and I just don't understand'

It's goady and I'm sorry, so unintelligent. The OP is desperate for a 'gotcha' screenshot.

Please go away and come back when you've read stuff. Although I suspect you already have your formed opinion.

I definitely resented my twin brother when I was going home from school for 2-3 days every 21 days because of my crippling period pain. I had to wait 10 years for a diagnosis and now be treatment is essentially "stuff you full of hormones and hope for the best". I was actively jealous that he was a boy and didn't have to deal with any of that, or the social differences and expectations on girls and boys. Life was much more straightforward for him and I would have given anything for mine to be like his.

Sapphos I do have some sympathy with what you're saying actually.

But to me the difference is: if someone thinks they are gay/lesbian/bi as a teen, that may continue their whole life or they may change their mind, and no harm done either way.

Same goes for a gender non-conforming teen, if it doesn't involve medical treatment: they can choose the clothes/hair/name etc they feel most comfortable with and maybe they'll be this way their whole life, maybe not, either is okay.

But the key thing for me with teens identifying as trans is the fact that some are going down a route of potentially irreversible, life-altering medical treatment. For those who are severely dysphoric and will likely be trans for life, I'm sure this is a positive thing. However I'm really worried that some teens will take a medical route when, with time, they may have come to accept themselves without needing it (possibly continuing to be gender non-conforming, possibly not). I fear we are not adhering to the medical principle of "first do no harm".