Please tell me about JK Rowling

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There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

In the Telegraph this evening.

Transgender ideology is leaving a “corrosive impact" on society, according to a new study calling for the scrapping of gender recognition reforms.

The report by the Civitas think tank accuses public institutions of being captivated by an "ideology of transgenderism" that is unable to defend the sex-based rights of women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/30/niche-transgender-ideology-corrosive-society-says-report/

[quote Datun]In the Telegraph this evening.

Transgender ideology is leaving a “corrosive impact" on society, according to a new study calling for the scrapping of gender recognition reforms.

The report by the Civitas think tank accuses public institutions of being captivated by an "ideology of transgenderism" that is unable to defend the sex-based rights of women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/30/niche-transgender-ideology-corrosive-society-says-report/[/quote]
There was a thread about this a few days ago.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3943320-Civitas-Report-The-Corrosive-Impact-of-Transgender-Ideology

You can download a copy of the book here.
www.civitas.org.uk/publications/the-corrosive-impact-of-transgender-ideology/

Link the source for the Telegraph article:

www.civitas.org.uk/press/transgender-ideology-leaving-a-corrosive-impact-on-society-new-book-finds-optimism-in-scrapping-of-gender-recognition-reforms/

@SapphosRock What you are describing is how it should be. Children should never be given drugs that change their bodies forever until all other options have been explored.

But that isn’t what is happening. Doctors are affirming statements of gender dysphoria. Parents are terrified by reading the - shown to be false - statistics about suicide and are agreeing. And the children - they are children in pain and are effectively being told “it’s ok - we can take away your pain - your body is wrong but we can fix it” and so they jump at the chance of being fixed.

I am another woman who - like Jo Rowling - really struggled with my body during the teenagers years. I was a tomboy. Until about the age of 11 I liked my body. I could run and jump and climb. I was strong and fast and powerful. And then I hit puberty. And things grew on my chest that got in the way of me running and jumping and climbing. Periods were horrific for me. Just unbearable. And I started realising the ways that being female might limit me in the future. At that point I started saying that I wished I was a boy. Quite reasonable really. Being a 13 year old girl is horrific. I find it confusing that some girls are fine with it. Anyway I said On a number of occasions that I wished I was a boy and my parents.... did absolutely nothing. Said I was a girl and that I could still be a famous footballer / doctor / miner / whatever I wanted to be at that second in time as a girl.

We had a couple of very rocky years but by 15 I was fine. Liked being a girl. Rather liked my body. Got on with my life. Studied a male dominated subject. Do a male dominated job. (Only female in team of 15.) played a male dominated sport. But I am a woman. I like being a woman. I am a mother. I love being a mother.

What would happen if I was 13 year old me now? I don’t know. I hope nothing. “Watch and wait” would be best. But maybe I would slip through the net. I’m bloody clever. I would have found out what to say to get what I wanted. And at 13 I just wanted it all to stop. To stay as pre-pubescent me. And then I would not be able to have my children.

Thanks old crone.

I missed it entirely

Keira Bell was asked what could adults have said to her to make her reconsider or what could they say to other girls in her position.

And she said 'nothing'.

She was absolutely determined and 'knew behind doubt' it was what she wanted.

CHILDREN ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ADULTS DO TO THEM.

@SapphosRock I really can't get my head around some of your reasoning in your 'open letter to Rowling'?

Lifelong gender dysphoria is the only reason why people transition? How many years did Rowling struggle with her feelings, and how many years would she have had to have struggled to earn the right to transition? How long is lifelong, if teens and preteens are acknowledged as being desperate to transition?

Not only that, but isn't it offensive to the trans community to assign their urges to transition to a diagnosis of gender dysphoria?

Are you genuinely saying that there are absolutely no trans people who have started their journey after feeling ousted by their own gender community? How is that supposed to make some trans people feel about their experiences?

Lastly, to highlight an admission of a mental illness like OCD and then go on to deny it is at all relevant is hugely counterintuitive to the points you are making, not to mention offensive. How is somebody's struggle with mental health not relevant to their feelings about a matter, if they themselves deem it to be? If a trans person was describing their experiences of transexuality during their account of their battles with OCD, would you tell them that being trans is irrelevant?

How exactly are you fighting for a better attitude towards trans people, by displaying exactly the same narrow minded mentality that you blame gender critical people for supposedly having?

Well this is exactly it. Teenagers aren’t stupid. I know someone who worked out what date her lmp should be to allow her to have an abortion under the 12 week limit despite being further along (and how to appear Gillick competent so that she didn’t require parental consent). There are myriad sites providing specific guidance as to what to say to qualify for treatment. Not least ‘tell them you are suicidal’. That’s not limited to teenagers though - another friend with extremely serious mh issues knows that if she turns up and tells them she is suicidal they will check her in for a few days and she can take time out. We chat about it.
Any trans forum will give you very specific advice on what to say when you finally get to your Charing Cross appointment to get what you want.
Teenagers are no different. Everyone can manipulate the system to get what they want. The increased danger with teenagers is that puberty renders it extremely unlikely that you have capacity to make lifelong decisions - and so you shouldn’t be able to.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric.

Oh the irony. And you think you haven't been illogical on this thread. Well you've just provided a fucking brilliant example of it. How do you think women feel about having their experiences appropriated by men then? Or is it only trans people who are allowed to complain about such things?
Oh yeah, and you aren't the judge of who is and isn't genuinely dysphoric. It's extremely common in autistic girls. I know, i was one of them. Until my teens i was convinced i was meant to be a boy and that was why i didn't "fit in" with other girls at school. Then i found out i was autistic and everything made sense. Like many other posters here I'm grateful that I'm not a teenager now, because whilst I'm still not happy being a woman, i am eternally glad i wasn't set on a path of unnecessary drugs and mutilation in the form of needless surgeries. All in the pursuit of what is a big fucking lie.
Who are you to deny her experiences, or ours for that matter?

Given clear evidence that dysphoria is a common experience among children during puberty it seems pointless to continue to insist that it is unique to a few transgender people.

They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

Do the vulnerable autistic children who are made to believe their trans because they like toys associated with the opposite sex have to take some responsibility too?
What about the equally vulnerable children in foster care who are taken in by the trans ideology and are encouraged by social workers who have drunk the kool aid, are they responsible too?
What about the teenage girl who went to meet a football player to get her shirt signed and was sexually assaulted by him, should she take some of the responsibility for what happened? After all she contacted him on facebook, she met up with him - that's being persistent, right?
Or is it the complete and total responsibility of the ADULT in the situation to do the right thing?
Children are never ever responsible in any way for the abuse they suffer, and it's disgusting for you to suggest they are.

Just to add, I would h spoilt have taken any drugs to stop me going through puberty. I hated having periods, having breasts, good etc. Would I have taken drugs to stop this? absolutely!
On top of this it would have stopped unwanted male attention which was horrific, not to mention helping me become the advanraged, priviliged sex, what's not to like?
It's rather like asking a black person: given the choice, would you rather be white?

Good = hips.

I doubt there are many woman who haven't been affected by the onslaught of catcalling, ogling, whistling, harrassment, groping etc, by men and boys, from the moment they start to develop breasts. It is ubiquitous and disgusting. No wonder girls struggle so much. Add in autism, social media, peer pressure and now all this awful recent ideology being taught in school, the pressure being put on girls to lower their boundaries and appease males. No wonder so many of them are distressed by their developing bodies.
I will never forget how enraged and sad I felt the first time my dd was groped on the bus.

Look at the shapes that represent the females (no. 1 - 4) compared to the males (no. 9 - 12).

Why does the 'most' female have a tiny waist and big bust? Is that what makes you female? Why does she become less female if she is fatter?

The males of course are all the same because there's only one way to be male

They are going into schools telling feminine males that they must be female. I cannot for one moment understand why the government has no problem with this.

If you had to make a drawing to illustrate misogyny, this is what it would look like. And they are teaching it in primary schools.

When will people wake up.

It's going to be a huge scandal when it all comes out.

As horrendous as that picture looks, I'd appreciate seeing a clearer version that hasn't been cropped in that way. I don't think we're getting the full picture there. A cursory search on google didn't help me to find that same picture. Are you able to link to a better one @TwoTribes ?

Ah okay, so one is Barbie and twelve is GI Joe. I still can't find this picture with respect to how it relates to being transgender. Just on its own about where you'd place yourself on a ridiculous scale of femininity to masculinity. Very odd.

JuanNil

I google ‘Gender spectrum’ and found the image in seconds.
I followed the link through to this site

According to this, it’s used by mermaids.
They probably won’t let you see it unless you apply for one of their diversity training courses

That jelly baby gender identity spectrum is used in Mermaids brainwashing training sessions.

A gender critical man recorded one such training session.

Transcript here: tradfem.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/pesky-fly-on-the-wall-account-of-a-mermaidstm-training-session-_-introducing-the-genderbread-person/

Recording here soundcloud.com/user-407799333