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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please tell me about JK Rowling

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Feathered · 30/06/2020 12:18

There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

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nauticant · 30/06/2020 13:04

It's helpful to go back to what originally happened. Here's an article showing what JKR tweeted and what she got in response:

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

JemimaShore · 30/06/2020 13:05

That's interesting about Jammidodger on YT - I'm not familiar with this particularm and OP doesn't mention her son's age, but I've found with younger kids/teens you have to be really careful who they're watching on YT.

Some youtubers are extremely influential, when in fact they are not at all knowledgeable or even responsible....

ThePurported · 30/06/2020 13:05

It all started last year when JKR stood up for Maya Forstater who lost her job when she publicly voiced her concerns about the proposed GRA reform and how it would impact women. JKR tweeted:

“Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill.”

This was transphobic and literal violence.

And then JKR stood up for all women, which is obviously even more transphobic and got her a barrage of disgusting misogynist abuse, but apparently people are ok with that because these rape threats and abuse come from what they call 'the right side of history'.

Welcome to 2020!

nauticant · 30/06/2020 13:07

Sorry, I should have added to that link, that the responses to JKR are absolutely NSFW containing hateful, abusive, and threatening language.

TwoTribes · 30/06/2020 13:10

my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?

Because your son is wrong. She hasn't done anything at all.

Can you explain what your son is referring to?

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 30/06/2020 13:12

JK Rowling expressed the view that people born with female reproductive systems face particular forms of oppression and discrimination and marginalisation, and are vulnerable in particular ways. She said that those female-reproductive-system-people should therefore be considered a social and political class that has a word that describes them, so that their oppression can be articulated, their needs can be addressed and their rights can be protected.

She noted that there used to be a word for this group - women and girls - and drew attention to those words now increasingly being erased from discourse and from law (along with the word 'sex') in order to privilege the view that we all 'identify' as male or female, both or neither, and that the actual biological sex of people-born-with-female-reproductive-systems has no bearing on the life chamces or experiences of those people, except insofar as it makes them the privileged oppressors of people who identify as female despite being born with male reproductive systems.

JK Rowling, like many women here, is apparenly insulted by the assertion that her sex is meaningless and that what makes her a 'woman' is an internal sense of identification with sexist stereotypes. She is also concerned about what it means for vulnerable women in refuges, shelters, public facilities and prisons when the right of people-born-with-female-reproductive-systems to single sex spaces is lost, and they have to share those showers, prison cells, refuges etc. with anyone who 'identifies' as female, even if they have full male genitalia, a beard and only feel womanly on Tuesdays.

For giving some thought and concerns to these issues, instead of parroting "Trans Woman are Women" as if just saying it erases any need for "women" to have an actual meaning, JK must be punished.

picklemewalnuts · 30/06/2020 13:13

@feathered, what is is she's supposed to have done?

She's a great storyteller, I love her books.

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/06/2020 13:14

Over on Twitter, people calling JKR "hateful" have been asked many times to post up an actual quotation that is "hateful".

I haven't seen one posted yet.

toolatetooearly · 30/06/2020 13:15

Her biggest crime is her script for the last Fantastic Beasts movie, which was fucking dreadful.

Datun · 30/06/2020 13:15

Bloody hell, if one more person says how awful J. K. Rowling is because 'my mate/spouse/kid told me.

Just read what she bloody wrote. Five minutes out of your life.

She said sex is real. And when she got the most disgusting verbal abuse and rape threats (completely proving her point), she explained why.

Whilst simultaneously defending trans people, their rights and their identity.

In a very calm, very nuanced and wholly rational way.

If anyone, anywhere, can criticise anything she's actually bloody said, it will be the first time ever.

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling · 30/06/2020 13:15

^^ When I say "JK said..." I don't mean in so many words. She said it best, but I'm just paraphrasing.

nauticant · 30/06/2020 13:17

It is amusing that us supporters, having seen the horrible threats including threats of sexual violence JKR has received, will instead throw her to the wolves because a poster's DS would view us as being very mean.

BovaryX · 30/06/2020 13:18

says what she has done is horrendous

What an absurd statement. JKR hasn't done anything remotely horrendous. A belief in biological sex isn't 'horrendous.' It was totally uncontroversial until about five minutes ago.

TheShoesa · 30/06/2020 13:20

What is it that she has done that your son thinks is so horrendous?

Messageinateacup · 30/06/2020 13:23

I thought he meant when she killed off Dumbledore?

RoyalCorgi · 30/06/2020 13:23

She is a goddess among women. HTH.

Eveta · 30/06/2020 13:24

My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous

Jk voiced her concern for women's rights and safeguarding, talked about her own experience with male violence, financially supports a charity that supports the women who are victims of male violence, whilst also saying she supports and cares for trans people, but that their needs cannot undermine the existing legal protections for women and safeguards for children. What exactly is it she has done that is horrendous? I really want to know the answer to this because I'm not seeing it.

Apileofballyhoo · 30/06/2020 13:24

Maybe he's upset about Sirius.

leli · 30/06/2020 13:27

OP seems to have disappeared!

Datun · 30/06/2020 13:27

Here are the screenshots of her tweets and the reaction to them. A company was calling women 'people who menstruate', which is all on a par with cervix havers, birthing people and chest feeders. Offensive and utterly erasing women as a biological and political sex class. She gently poked a bit of fun at the term. (Instead of being openly outraged like most women.)

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Because of the disgusting onslaught of abuse she received as a result, a few days later she explained in an essay about her own sexual assault and domestic abuse why women as a sex class need to have a name, and should not be subdivided into menstruators, or people who have been raped, people who are subjected to FGM, people who wrote about #MeToo, etc.

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

agentnully · 30/06/2020 13:32

Find out exactly why he's formed this opinion then give him her essay. I suspect Twitter and ill-informed friends.

If he won't read it maybe you should have a talk with your children together about how grown women feel about having their rights erased and how maybe they should not form opinions based on incorrect and damaging Twitter rants.

It's not just about JKR, it's about how easy it is to bully and even get into serious trouble at the press of a button without meaning to.

Your kids won't thank you for your interference now but they may do when they're older and wiser.

BaronessBrighterThanYou · 30/06/2020 13:33

Plopper then?

I agree with the poster that said theOP's wording was weird.

annabel85 · 30/06/2020 13:34

@Feathered

There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here. My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous. Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here? Thanks!
The 5000 threads about it aren't enough?
titchy · 30/06/2020 13:37

Maybe it was releasing the Deathly Hallows as two books? 🤷‍♀️

Dyrne · 30/06/2020 13:46

To be fair I still haven’t forgiven her for telling us all that Wizards used to just shit themselves before indoor plumbing was invented.

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