r/gendercritical banned from reddit.

[THRILLHO]

Fuckers

[PurpleHoodie]

FWR MN exists because womens supportive voices were ALL OVER Mumsnet.

Nonces, trolls, MRAs and general nonce supporting shit stirring maidens were all over the place.

If they take down FWR, then the female supportive voices will go back to all over Mumsnet (as well as the usual supportive voices)

[yourethecomebackkid]

It’s appalling - all dissent will be shutdown. The subreddits closed like Chapo house, The Donald, gendercritical were all ‘heretical voices’ that will not be tolerated. I’m sure there will be pushback at seeing The Donald as part of this but you don’t have to personally support or agree with reddits to see the same playbook being used. Reddit moves in to appoint its chosen moderators and then closes down. It tells everyone it’s because of threats of violence or hate speech without quantifying what that entails. Free speech (baring specific invocations of violence ) for all is the only defence.

Reddit today has, as well, defined only gender (NOT sex) as a protected characteristic and as also defined hate speech as something that specifically cannot occur against majority groups. Women are a majority of the population.

The disgraceful hypocrisy at leaving the rapeconfession and similar reddits up makes me want to weep with rage.

[Doxycycline]

I am hoping that ruqqus with its guilds can take off as an alternative for the censorship cesspool known as Reddit and it's subreddits. There's already a huge influx of new users to their site to the point where one of the owners is scrambling to get it back up on a Twitch stream. Their Discord is very active atm too.

[SetYourselfOnFire]

GCDebatesQT has gone private. Mods are I guess figuring out if there's a point in coming back?. They bent over backwards to be considerate at least at first, until they got doxxed or lied to one too many times, then the snark came out. Trans activists really can't co-exist with free speech or even polite debate. It's a hollow, sham philosophy.

[SetYourselfOnFire]

^^prolefeed Mon 29-Jun-20 22:43:23
Can we please stop the ‘ooo FWR will be forced to shut down’ chat? They’ve targeted us for YEARS and we are extremely lucky that mn has solid statistical data about FWR use and recognizes that they provide a space for discussion. Play by the rules and no one is shutting down anything. Particularly with the premium subscription.^^

From your lips... GC's moderators said the exact same thing last night and got banned today with no warning. They'd also been trying to ban them for 5+ years but they always played by the rules. So Reddit stopped playing by the rules and just lied. I don't trust anybody these days, but I hope you're right and FWR is too profitable to close.

[prolefeed]

Profitable? It’s not about profit per se. they’ve targeted mn advertisers and got them to withdraw. It’s about what’s right. And it’s right to allow women to virtually meet and discuss. In return, loyalty and chipping in for premium subscription (and keeping an eye on where and where not to shop) is all we can do.
Ultimately it’s a business. It won’t be profit that saves FWR, but the fact of a predominantly female business refusing to bow to male bullies.
Reddit and twitter aren’t female owned and managed businesses catering to a predominantly female clientele.
Course, that’s why mn is such a target. Including the owners personally.
I’m just not keen on the self-fulfilling prophecy thing

[merrymouse]

also defined hate speech as something that specifically cannot occur against majority groups. Women are a majority of the population.

This is terrifying. I read the policy you are referring to and it seems to be written by people who can’t conceive of a situation where a majority group could be vulnerable.

Apartheid and the fight for universal suffrage are not on their radar. Cynically I suspect its part of a mindset that can only pay lip service to equality for groups that are small enough not to be threatening.

[monkeysee100]

I’m furious and I deleted the whole app. I genuinely have never seen anything violent or concerning (apart from for the women posting) yet a brief trip into other subreddits which generally hold the other pov without even trying I found threats and gun memes

[MangoFeverDream]

It’s a bit demoralising, I have to say. GC played by the rules but the rules don’t matter anymore, I guess.

I like Reddit and frequent the skincare and fashion forums. I do hope a popular alternative crops up so I can delete my account tho.

[Oxyiz]

Deleted. It's a boy's playground now. I mean, it always was really, most of the users were men, but that list tells you everything you need to know. Hate or abuse women? Sure. Say that you can't switch biological sex, and that some men are using new methods to abuse women? Nope.

Welcome to anyone here because of it.

[AwakeNotWoke]

So in that case, if only minorities need protection, r/rapefantasies is fine with Reddit but r/transrapefantasies would not be.

R/womeninpaun and r/transwomenpain would be the same.

And that's because transwomen need protected against nasty men, whereas biological women don't? Because transrapefantasies is hate speech, rapefantasies is free speech?

They can't even pretend it isn't anti-women whenever you start to compare it.

Last night I was sad, today I'm fucking furious. Reddit is gone from my life (it was absolutely shit anyway).

[EdgeOfACoin]

AwakeNotWoke, that's an excellent point.

[NonnyMouse1337]

I think in the near future there will be growing political discussions on how we as a society deal with social media platforms in terms of free speech and the rules of censorship around it. At the moment it's a bit of a free-for-all, with each platform doing its own thing and making up its own rules as they go along. Print and conventional media codes of conduct don't seem to apply. Legislation and legal cases will be needed to bring tech giants and social media platforms to play by the same rulebook and have a base level of consistency in what's allowed and what isn't.

This needs mainstream media attention so the general public is aware of what's going on - they need to be informed of the sort of vile posts and groups that stay up in places like Reddit and Twitter. How rape and pedophilia and other disgusting stuff is allowed, yet women discussing and criticising these practices or other types of ideologies are being shut down. Parents need to be aware of what these platforms are and discuss with their children about using them. I think Reddit is quite popular with a younger demographic? When politicians start being asked difficult questions by the public as to why these cesspits are allowed and their children are able to freely access them, then there will be some uncomfortable squirming.

Anyway, these are just platforms. You can't shut down the internet. Women are resourceful and talented. There's no reason why alternatives can't be developed and used. I think that's what Spinster and Parler are for. It's a shame that people will end up in silos or echo chambers, but it will have to do for now.

If women are serious about winning these sort of arguments, then I think the free speech angle is a better approach. GC subs were targeted, but also other types that don't conform to certain political viewpoints. These platforms are drawing up rules and making decisions along political lines or whatever is in fashion which will turn out to be what contributes to their eventual decline.

If a rival was established that genuinely promoted free speech and applied rules and bans impartially and consistently, then it would see significant membership growth and revenue.

[merrymouse]

www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

"Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate."

So basically Reddit rules permit attacks against women.

The most charitable way you could frame this is that the person writing the rules forgot about women, regardless of who they include in the definition of women.

[JoyFreeCake]

This kind of thing is why it annoys me that the internet is now seen as basically just websites and email. A distributed system like Usenet is far more resilient to this kind of thing than any website. If your ISP didn't carry a particular newsgroup, you subscribed to a service that did. Nobody can ban newsgroups (other than governments, I guess, but even then they can only ban access).

I have to admit I shifted to commercial sites too, simply because that's where the people were.

[merrymouse]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/social-media-cesspit-gets-bigger-not-better-kfrtrck0q

This is an interesting article on social media platforms. Sorry I don't know how to create a share token.

[LoeliaPonsonby]

I’m not brave enough to post a thread on TwoXChromosomes going what’s the point of this sub if TWAW?

I saw that the_donald had been banned and thought that GC was next. Didn’t realise they’d already been

[Triselly]

Ah, thank you for adding a not of positivity. We’ve been here before, many times, and those fighting for women’s freedoms have yet to be defeated.

[SunsetBeetch]

Benjamin Boyce in what's happened:

[RoyalCorgi]

My fear is that eventually feminists will be banned from all the major public platforms. Twitter has already removed numerous outspoken feminists. Facebook frequently deletes feminist content, though there are mercifully some gender critical groups on there. If TRAs keep targeting advertisers, and they carry on withdrawing from MN, my worry is that MN will have to close down (or remove the feminism boards). Eventually there might not be any online spaces where feminists can talk.

[SunsetBeetch]

Is Peach Yoghurt's forum still going? I've forgotten what it was called.

[merrymouse]

The problem isn't just sites like reddit, its also platforms like crowdjustice which removed Allison Bailey.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Here's a sharetoken for the piece merrymouse mentioned - I've not read it yet myself


www.thetimes.co.uk/article/social-media-cesspit-gets-bigger-not-better-kfrtrck0q?shareToken=6960e6fe9251cc53d7aad46637b4da5f

[MoltenLasagne]

To summarise the piece by Rifkind - people who get kicked off Twitter deserve it and should learn to play nice. If you don't agree with my opinions that's not being nice so you should get kicked off. Also, Twitter is simultaneously like a newspaper in that it can choose its content and also unlike a newspaper in that it can't be held liable for it.

Once again showing he should stick to puff pieces as critical analysis is beyond him.

[ErrolTheDragon]

• also defined hate speech as something that specifically cannot occur against majority groups. Women are a majority of the population.
  
  This is terrifying. I read the policy you are referring to and it seems to be written by people who can’t conceive of a situation where a majority group could be vulnerable.
  *
  Globally, POC are the majority.
  The only thing worse than oppressing a minority is oppressing a group which isn't a minority, surely?