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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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Mollyollydolly · 11/02/2021 14:58

Some pretty extraordinary stuff coming out about Stonewall's influence. Looks promising and an important case.

TheLaughingGenome · 11/02/2021 15:04

What are the chances of it going to a full hearing? Are they looking promising?

BuntingEllacott · 11/02/2021 15:08

Stonewall, the lobby group ostensibly for LGB people as well as T people, essentially said to them, "It's a nice business you have here. Be a shame if something happened to it because you were caught supporting a lesbian against us, wouldn't it? Something to think about..."

highame · 11/02/2021 15:13

Also, SW saying they aren't responsible but then have redacted paperwork, so if no guilt, why do that Grin SW initially redacted threats relating to claimant, showing it fully realized what it was doing was wrong. from LGB Alliance feed.

GreenUp · 11/02/2021 15:16

A BBC journalist John McManus commented on the hearing saying:

Some pretty amazing evidence being recounted today in the legal case involving #allisonbailey @gardencourtlaw and @stonewalluk

Safe Schools Alliance @SafeSchools_UK #allisonbailey Ben Cooper QC emails show explicit threat that if Garden Court Chambers don’t expel claimant (@BluskyeAllison) Stonewall will sever ties causing reputational damage

twitter.com/JohnMcM1/status/1359870295541243912?s=20

Now he's getting a pile on from the TRAs for quote tweeting the Safe School Alliance.

highame · 11/02/2021 15:21

They are adding Chambers as the respondent. Does this mean SW wont be in the dock? or is it that they are confirming who will be respondents

nauticant · 11/02/2021 15:36

In the crowdfunder Allison Bailey wrote:
"I am suing Stonewall Diversity Limited to stop them policing free speech."
"The Preliminary Hearing is to determine applications put forward by the Respondents (Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers) and by me."

A case can have a number of respondents, in this case read this as "defendants".

If you're interested in reading more:
allisonbailey.co.uk/the-case-against-stonewall/

Mollyollydolly · 11/02/2021 15:47

John McManus is a good egg. He commentated on the Bell case too. The responses from KM et al are always so revealing. Left a message of support on his twitter feed. They are such unrelenting bullies.

Manderleyagain · 11/02/2021 15:47

I don't think it means they are replacing stonewall - I think the question was over which entity should it be, the chamvers, or the public limited Company that is behind the chambers? But it is confusing I could be wrong. I expect it will come clear.

TheLaughingGenome · 11/02/2021 15:49

I think that's right - the defendants will be SW, and Garden Chambers 'collectively' (I think)?

SophocIestheFox · 11/02/2021 15:50

@yourhairiswinterfire

The *@stonewalluk* is "extraordinary" says Cooper. Internal clerks email addresses used. Stonewall writes that @gardencourtlaw* have always been allies. "However for GCC to continue to campaign to support Allison puts us in a difficult position with yourselves".

Then @stonewalluk continues that it trusts GCC will "do what is right and stand in solidarity with trans people". Stonewall says that GCC must take disciplinary action or they will disassociate themselves from GCC who will then "face the reputational consequences".

Angry Fuckers.

So much to unpick in there. It’s not even a covert threat.

I’m also teeth grindingly upset about the egregious use of the reflexive in that first para Grin I’ve never met anyone who uses that who wasn’t awful in some other way.

But seriously, I am pretty taken aback that they seem so content with their over reach as to threaten an employer for employing anyone, never mind someone who, as a lesbian, is part of the demographic they’re supposed to fucking well represent Confused

Who do they think they are?

TheLaughingGenome · 11/02/2021 15:52

Adjourned till 9.30am.

OvaHere · 11/02/2021 16:01

Then @stonewalluk continues that it trusts GCC will "do what is right and stand in solidarity with trans people". Stonewall says that GCC must take disciplinary action or they will disassociate themselves from GCC who will then "face the reputational consequences".

Nice business you've got there, shame if something were to happen to it!

OvaHere · 11/02/2021 16:03

Ha Ha just seen that Bunting drew the exact same conclusion.

BuntingEllacott · 11/02/2021 16:06

Footage just in of the Stonewall equality index training at the Home Office...

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
OvaHere · 11/02/2021 16:10

Bunting Grin

Impatiens · 11/02/2021 16:11
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PronounssheRa · 11/02/2021 16:33

Then stonewalluk continues that it trusts GCC will "do what is right and stand in solidarity with trans people". Stonewall says that GCC must take disciplinary action or they will disassociate themselves from GCC who will then "face the reputational consequences".

Stonewall operates in the same way as a protection racket.

PurpleHoodie · 11/02/2021 16:37

I find I cannot fault what you have said.

PurpleHoodie · 11/02/2021 16:38

Were those their exact words?

Xanthangum · 11/02/2021 16:39

Michelle Brewer, co-founder of TELI and condemner of Get The L Out joining the London Pride parade in 2018? Surely not.

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
PurpleHoodie · 11/02/2021 16:41

Is Michelle male?

WildishBambino · 11/02/2021 16:43

Then stonewalluk continues that it trusts GCC will "do what is right and stand in solidarity with trans people". Stonewall says that GCC must take disciplinary action or they will disassociate themselves from GCC who will then "face the reputational consequences".

Garden Court's motto is 'do right, fear no one' so I suspect that's an oblique reference to it. Ought to change it to "fucking terrified of Stonewall".

TheLaughingGenome · 11/02/2021 16:43

Ben Cooper QC and Robin Moira White are in the same Chambers apparently.

SophocIestheFox · 11/02/2021 16:46

Robin loves mumsnet, never misses a trick here and I’m sure will be along shortly to check our thinking Smile