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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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ChurchOfWokeApostate · 01/07/2020 18:01

So they’re refusing to accept any more money then? After she asked them to increase it to £100k?
How the fuck is that ‘neutral’?
I’m fucking apoplectic

EveleftEden · 01/07/2020 18:01

I hope so Datun most people I know are totally unaware this is happening and I look like the village crazy lady when I try and talk about it to them. The idea that trans women are just confused nice people who want to blend in is still strong.

hellandhairnets · 01/07/2020 18:04

Mine hasn't been taken at all. This is just disgusting.

ValancyRedfern · 01/07/2020 18:05

May payment has just shown up in my pending as well. I've sent them a couple of messages asking how to donate further over the last couple of days, no response yet....

PronounssheRa · 01/07/2020 18:05

Well someone somewhere doesn't want this going to court. Which tells it's own story.

The censorship is astonishing.

Allison, if you are reading find another way, there are lots of people just waiting to support you.

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 18:09

Mine has finally shown up in my pending within the last hour. Wonder if someone is reading this thread?

If they are, you’re a bunch of fucking arseholes.

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
OhHolyJesus · 01/07/2020 18:17

I'm starting to wonder whether law firms need to have their own PayPal accounts or crowdfunding accounts where you can pay into it with a reference and it is held there until the verdict is received....or something like that.

CrowdJustice is just the middle man, taking a fee and passing judgement, silencing or promoting at will. We don't need them.

Personally I'd be happy to pay directly into Allison's PayPal account but if anyone felt cautious about doing this maybe paying directly to the lawyers appointed is the future.

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Aesopfable · 01/07/2020 18:19

Personally I'd be happy to pay directly into Allison's PayPal account

Alison would be best to avoid this to prevent accusations of mismanagement, improper use etc.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/07/2020 18:22

refused to answer questions from her or her legal representatives as to whether any organisations exerted pressure on them over this crowdfunder.

I think someone earlier said they were quite a new company? It does sound rather as if they are desperately trying to stay on the fence - it'd be suicide for them to cancel her campaign and return the money, but they are obviously being leant on hard by someone influential.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 01/07/2020 18:23

At this point I would be happiest to drive the four hours to London and shove an envelope full of tenners into Allison's hands. I'm feeling increasingly tin foil hat crazy.

gardenbird48 · 01/07/2020 18:24

I'm soo beyond furious about this - we don't live in Russia fgs!!! The bit I don't understand is, if her Chambers and Stonewall have such a strongly defensible position in all this - why are they trying to silence her - why not have their day in court and prove that they are in the right.....?

I can only assume that they know they have no defence.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/07/2020 18:26

At this point I would be happiest to drive the four hours to London and shove an envelope full of tenners into Allison's hands. I'm feeling increasingly tin foil hat crazy.

Exactly what I said when they first took her crowdfunder down!

SophocIestheFox · 01/07/2020 18:27

Fucking hell, Allison’s statement!

I was so tense reading it.

Her statement was factual. As for the bit about Stonewall being a danger to certain sections of their demographic, well what the fuck is she supposed to say about them? She’s not suing them because they’re just as cute as whiskers on kittens, is she 🙄

And it is a fact, verified by government sources, that knocking on fifty percent of current prisoners identifying as trans women are sex offenders. I’m sorry if whoever is pulling crowdjustices strings finds that an upsetting or inconvenient fact, but a fact it is. Are we not supposed to mention it?

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 18:32

No you’re not meant to mention it. Facts are inconvenient.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/07/2020 18:40

I thought that comments about the number of prisoners being sex offenders seemed a bit OTT and wanted to check.

So, for anyone else who's not sure, here's the BBCs article:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/07/2020 18:41
  • tldr - yes, the claims are correct. Although 'those 125 transgender inmates only include people who have had a prison case conference. It won't include transgender people who haven't identified themselves to the prison service or who already have a gender recognition certificate.'
ChurchOfWokeApostate · 01/07/2020 18:41

You can’t mention facts if they cause hurt feelz

nauticant · 01/07/2020 18:47

I remember that BBC article and how it seemed to twist itself round and round in trying not to find that the assertion that "41% of transgender women in prison are convicted sex offenders" is actually true.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/07/2020 18:53

Also, what was so offensive about her personal photos, what on earth was the justification for removing them?

WooblyBoobly · 01/07/2020 19:01

No you’re not meant to mention it. Facts are inconvenient

That would be Rules of Misogyny #10 again:
The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad.

Funny how often that one applies. Not funny ha ha

ChurchOfWokeApostate · 01/07/2020 19:04

I remember that BBC article and how it seemed to twist itself round and round in trying not to find that the assertion that "41% of transgender women in prison are convicted sex offenders" is actually true
I had to read it a couple of times to actually figure out what they were saying.
Don’t these ‘fact checkers’ usually have a blatant ‘true’ or ‘false’ as well as the descriptive narrative? As you say, tying themselves in knots to not say ‘true’ but they couldn’t actually say ‘false’

charlestonchaplin · 01/07/2020 19:07

I don’t think this was just about the money, or even mainly about the money. Allison’s message was powerful and clearly struck a chord with many donors. People were sharing their own stories and feelings in the comments. The anger and frustration was palpable and the people felt galvanised. There was a momentum building up and real possibility that the reality and demands of trans ideology would be exposed to a large number of new eyes.

Also, many who were previously hesitant to make a stand could see that there were many others like them, concerned people, not hate-filled people. The ‘sunlight’ was obviously not welcomed by the trans lobby and therefore strong pressure put on Crowdjustice to strip the page of its powerful words and suspend donations.

happydappy2 · 01/07/2020 19:09

I wonder if Edward Lord has anything to do with this.....

EveleftEden · 01/07/2020 19:09

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Also, what was so offensive about her personal photos, what on earth was the justification for removing them?
Because they wanted to bury it. So people wouldn’t even know what they were looking for.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/07/2020 19:11

This is the new scold's bridle.

Am chucking her another 50 quid once it reopens.

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