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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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EveleftEden · 01/07/2020 19:14

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

This is the new scold's bridle.

Am chucking her another 50 quid once it reopens.

Bloody hell yes! How frightening!
nauticant · 01/07/2020 19:14

what was so offensive about her personal photos

The personal photos would have been understood as showing a black woman who was talking about discrimination. In the time of Black Lives Matter that's a very potent message and was helping her cause. CrowdJustice wanted to hinder her cause.

SophocIestheFox · 01/07/2020 19:15

I’m not particularly put at ease by the bbc article at pains to point out that the number might not be quite what it seems.

It would have to be very inaccurate indeed to fall into line with the one in six men who are in prison for sex offences. As an absolute number, 60 offenders is still significant, when compared with (off the top of my head) under 200 female sex offenders in total in prison. And if the numbers of trans identifying prisoners are being substantially undercounted, and we don’t even know the scale of the population we’re talking about, then that’s also worrying.

Anyway, I am derailing a bit. Back to Allison.

Xanthangum · 01/07/2020 19:17

There was a momentum building up

I think you're absolutely right @charlestonchaplin

But it totally hasn't worked out for them.

Its the aesop's fable where the wind blows and blows but can't get the man's coat off, the sun shines for a bit and off it comes...

nauticant · 01/07/2020 19:22

In fact, imagine if this got to court and the CrowdJustice management were questioned about severely editing the background explanation and removing the photo. They could waffle on about the text and their worries in case it wasn't true but what on earth would they say when asked:

"We've heard your explanation of your editing of the background information. Now, would you please tell the court why you removed the photo? In particular would you explain how a picture of a black woman would have misled people or caused them distress?"

poupeediop · 01/07/2020 19:27

The personal photos would have been understood as showing a black woman who was talking about discrimination. In the time of Black Lives Matter that's a very potent message and was helping her cause. CrowdJustice wanted to hinder her cause.

It makes a complete mockery of BLM

SophocIestheFox · 01/07/2020 19:34

Very good point about taking down the photo and how there just can’t be any explanation for that that isn’t awful. Thinking about the twisting that’s gone on around JKR revealing sexual and domestic abuse and getting accused of manipulation, you really start to wonder if they felt that Allison was (and I hate even typing this phrase, it’s so grim) “playing the race card” (and I’m sandwiching another parentheses on here so it can’t be screenshottend and taken out of context, because I don’t think it’s a thing- but I wonder if the people haranguing Crowdjustice do)

prolefeed · 01/07/2020 19:35

They really, really need to reinstate it in full, including donor comments.
Treating her differently to every other crowdfunder that they have hosted is soooooo not a good look.
Of course, it is extremely illuminating by virtue of the absolute determination to switch off the lights and keep them off at all costs.
Fucking horrific.
The world must NOT know what is happening. Silence! Silence!
They can’t shut us all up. Every single woman that donated is pissed and will use her voice somehow. And those that they are preventing from supporting justice.

CrochetyCrochet · 01/07/2020 19:36

I can hardly believe this. It makes my blood run cold that CJ have bowed to pressure from supporters of the defendants to choke off funding for the action being brought against them.

It is utterly chilling. But demonstrates how scared they must be that someone, a lawyer no less, is trying to drag this into daylight and make a court look at this stuff.

I would happily donate direct to a fund set up by Allison's lawyers if they were to arrange it.

Datun · 01/07/2020 19:37

I don’t think this was just about the money, or even mainly about the money. Allison’s message was powerful and clearly struck a chord with many donors. People were sharing their own stories and feelings in the comments. The anger and frustration was palpable and the people felt galvanised. There was a momentum building up and real possibility that the reality and demands of trans ideology would be exposed to a large number of new eyes.

Correct.

And them all getting together to pull the rug out from under the women is going to have the opposite effect.

Allison herself has said I'm not going anywhere.

And nor are the women who donated. And now there are more of them, because of that blatant act of censorship. Plus the original a lot of women are going to donate again!

MoltenLasagne · 01/07/2020 20:10

Right now I'm ready to set up a monthly SO to fund Allison for as long as is needed. They are completely oblivious to how much they have pissed off women.

InfiniteSheldon · 01/07/2020 20:11

I'm still 7nsure gowi can actually donate I saved the original page but was too late on day one and they are ignoring my emails/requests to be allowed to donate.

InfiniteSheldon · 01/07/2020 20:11

*unsure how I

nauticant · 01/07/2020 20:56

An updated statement from CrowdJustice

twitter.com/CrowdJustice/status/1278404544976879616

howonearthdidwegethere · 01/07/2020 21:07

My god, that is straight up DARVO.

And they lie, they lie, they lie.

Allison's statement said they called the text 'discriminatory' but without any evidence. Now it's simply 'inflammatory' and 'offensive' but again no evidence. And these people are lawyers?? FFS

My god, I hope she sues them to kingdom come.

Lamahaha · 01/07/2020 21:16

Another pissed off older woman here with enough money to double my original donation at the appropriate time.
We sill not be silenced.

Xenia · 01/07/2020 21:16

There are important points of principle here - women should be allowed to express views and not be closed down and shut up. People should be allowed express a range of views on many topics even if others do not like those views - indeed even if most people think those views are wrong. Instead we have moved to a McCarthyist era where if you get one word wrong you can lose your job.

It seems to be men as ever (i.e. trans women) who want to shut women up. No change there.....

Cascade220 · 01/07/2020 21:17

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BlueBrush · 01/07/2020 21:18

Allison, please keep going. Lots of us here behind you, lots of us happy to donate if we know how to.

endofthelinefinally · 01/07/2020 21:21

I can hardly walk but I would march for this.

Binterested · 01/07/2020 21:23

Also willing to donate elsewhere. Just tell us where Allison.

Xenia · 01/07/2020 21:24

A lot of platforms and websites just cave in if people object to things - it happens everywhere but it can be very unfair, arbitrary and where the platform has some kind of monopoly power is particularly pernicious.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 01/07/2020 21:26

That hole they've dug themselves into keeps getting deeper doesn't it?

SwimmingCait · 01/07/2020 21:36

Despite my fury (and why say they will reply to my query if they have no intention of doing so?) I have now made second donations to Maya, Katie and Raquel. I am still keen to donate to Allison too if anyone can figure out a way to do that.

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