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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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MrJohnsonAteMyCustard · 28/06/2020 22:29

Left a question requesting clarification. Lets see if a response occurs.

Binterested · 28/06/2020 22:33

Left them a cross message Grin

Janeaustensquill · 28/06/2020 23:09

Have donated to Katie and left a message asking them why they have stopped taking funds for AB. Thank goodness for Mumsnet. Would be easy to despair.

NoCureForLove · 28/06/2020 23:19

Good idea to question those cowards at Crowdjustice. Have done so too.

Starlightisthebestlight · 29/06/2020 02:07

Also left them a message, looking forward to them attempting to make this better on Monday morning!

Needmoresleep · 29/06/2020 08:16

I have asked CJ why I can't contribute to something that should be heard by a court.

Instead I will dig for Raquel Rosario Sanchez, who is shining an important light on the bullying that academics too often receive on campuses when they express GC views. Perhaps if Universities could teach the importance of free speech and of critical and independent thinking society would not have the problems it has now.

(And whilst I have my card out, I will look at Maya and Katie's funds.)

MrsBodger · 29/06/2020 08:35

Thanks Shedbuilder - I’ve left a message too.

Vinosaurus · 29/06/2020 09:01

Also left them the message below - think they'll have a lot of reading to do this morning!

Hi, I want to donate further towards Allison Bailey’s crowdfunded but it is no longer accepting any. Why is this? The message stating that it has reached its target and will no longer accept donations seems disingenuous considering your own words on this website:

“your page will not close once you hit your Stretch Target, you will be able to keep accepting donations. If you wish to have a funding limit on your page so that you do not collect more than a certain amount, please let our Support Team know.“

I understand that Ms Bailey has not requested a limit.

On implementing erroneous and unique limitations you are essentially commenting on your own/the organisation’s beliefs regarding the case and are therefore exhibiting bias, and are limiting Ms Bailey’s access to legal recourse as a result.

Please amend this and reinstate the ability to donate.

StandUpStraight · 29/06/2020 09:46

I’ve also left a message telling them I want to donate, and asking them why they have capped the amount and changed the description of the case.

SophocIestheFox · 29/06/2020 10:09

I almost feel sorry for whichever person at crowdfunder has stumbled to their kitchen table workspace in a Monday morning fug, to be confronted by a whole barrow of politely baffled yet firm messages Grin

Hopefully the point will be taken.

Vodkacranberryplease · 29/06/2020 10:28

I just want to say it's absolutely fucking outrageous. How fucking dare they take this commission. Change the description and cap the amount. She should be suing them too - and we should be kicking up a fuss on social media etc. This is blatant discrimination and probably illegal.

twoHopes · 29/06/2020 10:33

The thing is though Crowdjustice is a start up and has less than 10 employees. I'll bet you a lot of money that they've spent the weekend with frantic messages pinging around Slack channels trying to figure out what to do about this. They made a rash, panicked decision to take the page down and will now be trying to work out how to dig themselves out of the hole they've made without angering the woke mob.

Vodkacranberryplease · 29/06/2020 10:37

Oh and hilarious re @SuperJan *Wasn't me who did the work - see earlier - and it's very very simple to compare follower lists of two accounts and see who's in common.

You can do it in one line of code.*

When, in the history of mumsnet have the words 'You can do it in one line of code' ever been posted??? Talk about the Most Blokey Comment Ever. 😁.

Oh dear. SuperJan love you can wear a dress and self identify all you want but this one comment is the most identifying thing of all. It's like Caitlin Jenner in the jungle. Lovely, caring, really warmed to her. But her thought processes and some of the things she said were just pure Bloke. In the nicest possible way. I can't imagine her getting involved in, or supporting this shit.

In fact all of this crap is just pure men's rights because no real trans woman would do this. This is pure abuser male spite. Not gay male either I might add - oh no, this is straight male stuff. Bullying, abusive, bitter and actually pretty psychopathic.

TheShoesa · 29/06/2020 12:46

I decided to see if I could read any of the hateful LGB Alliance tweets SuperJan put on that miniscule image and I was shocked, shocked I tell you, at what I saw.

For example:

"Thank you! More and more gay men are coming to the realisation that 'gay' loses its meaning if you replace biological sex with 'gender'. Gay men are biological males who are sexually attracted to other biological males. That was clear to us in Gay Lib and it's still clear to us now!"

and

"At LGB Alliance we are working for a world where every young lesbian, gay or bisexual person can be confident that 'it will be alright'. We want to work with the gay press to achieve this, but right now it seems as though you don't understand what's going on"

Is being reasonable what flags an organisation up as a hate group these days? Perhaps they should have added a few threats of violence in so that they would be mare acceptable?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 12:58

Not recognising a rainbow flag makes me doubt they're even in favour of those - find me a lesbian who doesn't recognise it.

The founder members of the LGB Alliance are lesbians and gay men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 13:03

You can say 'Oh, of course they wouldn't follow Stonewall', but not following any of Equality Network, the LGBT Consortium, Stonewall, Gay Civil Rights, Stonewall Scotland, LGBT Youth Scotland, Pink News, BuzzFeed LGBT, Queerty, Gay Star News, Attitude magazine, Diva Magazine, Birmingham Pride, Pride in Liverpool, Manchester Pride, Brighton Pride, UK Black Pride, Bristol Pride, Pride in London, History Month, GMFA, National AIDS Trust, Friend, or Gallop looks a lot like they're not lesbian, gay or bisexual, just anti-trans.

Because all those organisations spout non stop genderist bullshit such as the type that the LGB Alliance was specifically set up to challenge? Why would they want to follow Pink News? Hmm

crumpet · 29/06/2020 13:04

It’s still down, isn’t it. At lunchtime on Monday. They’re past the point (arguably they passed it when they said her page had gone up without prior review) where they can put their hands up and claim it was an over cautious intern’s cock up over the weekend and that of course they support legal access without bias.

drspouse · 29/06/2020 13:09

What do you mean by "not recognising it"?
Not accepting that some people use it to stand for LGBT etc. etc.?
Or not being willing to use it yourself to stand for same-sex attraction?
Why should anyone be forced to use a symbol to stand for something they are?
I am not very happy using the St George Cross, nevertheless I was born in England and am a UK citizen.
I recognise that some people use it to stand for "Englishness".

ThePurported · 29/06/2020 13:15

When, in the history of mumsnet have the words 'You can do it in one line of code' ever been posted?

Nice stereotype you have there Vodkacranberry Grin

And I'm afraid you are wrong, some of the anti-women crap does come from 'real' TWs and gay men.

SuperJan · 29/06/2020 14:05

@Vodkacranberryplease

Thanks, I'll hand my degree back and get DH to code for me.

Comparing two lists for duplicate entries was something we did in GCSE computing as an example of something computers can do very simply.

SuperJan · 29/06/2020 14:09

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Then they should be able to recognise the rainbow flag, shouldn't they, not accuse someone of flying a new one?

No bisexuals?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 29/06/2020 14:10

@TheShoesa

I decided to see if I could read any of the hateful LGB Alliance tweets SuperJan put on that miniscule image and I was shocked, shocked I tell you, at what I saw.

For example:

"Thank you! More and more gay men are coming to the realisation that 'gay' loses its meaning if you replace biological sex with 'gender'. Gay men are biological males who are sexually attracted to other biological males. That was clear to us in Gay Lib and it's still clear to us now!"

and

"At LGB Alliance we are working for a world where every young lesbian, gay or bisexual person can be confident that 'it will be alright'. We want to work with the gay press to achieve this, but right now it seems as though you don't understand what's going on"

Is being reasonable what flags an organisation up as a hate group these days? Perhaps they should have added a few threats of violence in so that they would be mare acceptable?

Gosh, so not the least bit hateful. Who could have seen that coming?
SulisMinerva · 29/06/2020 14:16

It’s a bit concerning that this crowdfunded hasn’t been opened up again. Are they hoping we’ll all just go away?

SulisMinerva · 29/06/2020 14:17

*crowdfunder

teawamutu · 29/06/2020 14:29

Why would they want to follow Pink News?

Can't think why anyone would, TBH.