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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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SuperJan · 28/06/2020 19:51

@AbsintheFriends

It's evidence that they're lying about being in favour of "lesbian, gay and bisexual rights" if they only go on about lesbian and gay ones.

Not recognising a rainbow flag makes me doubt they're even in favour of those - find me a lesbian who doesn't recognise it.

FloralBunting · 28/06/2020 19:54

I'm so pleased that despite the eagerness to distract and frustrate, the crowdfunder is a success. Delighted to say I don't follow Stonewall or Buzzfeed on Twitter. Mainly because I deleted my account because of all the disturbing wankers who post on there. I respect the women who stay, though. Respecting women. I'm so avant garde.

PurpleHoodie · 28/06/2020 19:55

Xanthangum

I don't like sprouts.

Steady on love. We won't be having hate speech like that around these parts.

Butter.
Panchetta.
Chestnuts.
Par boiled sprouts.

Fry up together. Bob's yer'uncle. Fanny's yer'aunt.

FloralBunting · 28/06/2020 19:55

This thread is about Allison Bailey's crowdfunder, Jan, not the rainbow flag or your animosity towards lesbians and gay men. Are you lost?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 28/06/2020 19:58

I've beeb meaning to send a card to Allison. I think I'll do so.

There are so many of us cheering her on.

prolefeed · 28/06/2020 19:58

@PurpleHoodie

Xanthangum

I don't like sprouts.

Steady on love. We won't be having hate speech like that around these parts.

Butter.
Panchetta.
Chestnuts.
Par boiled sprouts.

Fry up together. Bob's yer'uncle. Fanny's yer'aunt.

Delete chestnuts. Insert bacon. There’s probably code for that.
PurpleHoodie · 28/06/2020 19:58

For those who would have liked to donate to Allison's patch, there is Katie's one that requires a lot more digging. Girl Guiding, Katie.

Every little pound helps.

prolefeed · 28/06/2020 19:58

Oh I didn’t see the pancetta! As you were! (But still delete the chestnuts)

StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 20:01

Thanks purple. Will donate now, without adding the tip for Crowd Justice.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 28/06/2020 20:01

I know it's been said before but I loved reading Alison's statement. uch a powerful account of a black lesbian's life. What a great role model she is.

prolefeed · 28/06/2020 20:01

Does anyone know when Maya’s case is next up?
I know Katie’s is on hold until after that. I don’t really understand how the decisions with regard to the apparent shelving of the GRA reform will impact.

MForstater · 28/06/2020 20:09

Still waiting to hear news from the Employment Appeal Tribunal....

....it is all just slow because of the lockdown.

PinaGrigio · 28/06/2020 20:16

Sending good wishes to Allison & hoping she wins her case. As I was too late to dig for her, I've added to Katie's appeal instead.

Also supporting Maya in her appeal, too.

AnotherLass · 28/06/2020 20:18

I haven't really followed all of this thread, but anyway, to get back to Allison. I was just thinking this:

It's quite concerning what the Crowdjustice situation means for the future of legal crowdfunders. The way that Crowdjustice has acted has been absolutely appalling - the page still isn't taking donations which is in breach of their terms of service, they've given no explanation for that, they've shut down the ability to write comments, removed her text and pictures and smeared her with innuendo.

I know that GC crowdfunders are a minority interest, but as Anya said, the website asks for "tips" to fund the site when you donate without mentioning that it also takes 3% commission on all donations. I think that this is pretty dubious behaviour in itself, and may well open up a wider market for an alternative legal crowdfunding platform, one which is explicitly based on honesty and transparency.

Maybe this could be a good business opportunity for someone who needs work and has the skills?

PurpleHoodie · 28/06/2020 20:28

But chestnuts are so sweet.

Sweet and salty. Yum.

Crowd Justice have acted really badly Angry

EdgeOfACoin · 28/06/2020 20:29

On the Crowd Justice website there is a small green icon at the bottom right hand side of the screen. If you click it you can send a message.

I have already used it to query why donations have been prevented to Allison's fundraiser.

AbsintheFriends · 28/06/2020 20:33

Oooh, that's good to know EdgeOfACoin. I'll do the same.

I'm hoping that the fund will reopen tomorrow when the grown ups come back on duty.

SophocIestheFox · 28/06/2020 20:51

I’ve also emailed to ask them to reopen the campaign.

Piece of nonsense, as my dear old mum would say.

FannyCann · 28/06/2020 21:09

Fanny's yer'aunt.

Did someone call? I bloody love sprouts, I'm more than happy to have them plain and lightly buttered, never mind all that fannying around with chestnuts and pancetta. But I love the posh sort too!

FannyCann · 28/06/2020 21:13

the website asks for "tips" to fund the site when you donate without mentioning that it also takes 3% commission on all donations.

I wondered what the reference to "tips" was.
As an ex was wont to say to restaurants that tried to pull a fast one with a service charge plus request for tips...."You get one or the other".
Actually that's the sanitised version. Wink

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 21:19

the website asks for "tips" to fund the site when you donate without mentioning that it also takes 3% commission on all donations.

Whit?! I had no idea. I thought the 'tip' was what funded it. That is bloody sneaky.

ThePurported · 28/06/2020 21:24

It's quite concerning what the Crowdjustice situation means for the future of legal crowdfunders. The way that Crowdjustice has acted has been absolutely appalling - the page still isn't taking donations which is in breach of their terms of service, they've given no explanation for that, they've shut down the ability to write comments, removed her text and pictures and smeared her with innuendo.

Yes it is concerning. The way they have acted suggests bias or a tendency to bow to pressure, and that bizarre statement was completely unnecessary.

Shedbuilder · 28/06/2020 21:24

Just pressed the little green chat button and they're not chatting at the moment but you can leave a message enquiring about Allison's page and they will contact you tomorrow. Wouldn't it be great if there were a couple of hundred enquiries lined up for them in the morning?

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 28/06/2020 22:01

Thanks for the link to her twitter so I could donate. I was so dissapointed to see the post I read last night had been deleted as I was going to donate today after work. Now done.
So does anyone know what happens to the money already donated on She'd got like 65k or something before it was shut down. Will she get that money too?

EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 28/06/2020 22:21

Wouldn't it be great if there were a couple of hundred enquiries lined up for them in the morning?

Excellent idea. Just left a question.

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