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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 28/06/2020 16:56

'LGB Alliance' is just a hate group

A group who believe that gay means same SEX attracted?
How homophobic of you.

StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 16:58

Or even: Super, Jan.

Michelleoftheresistance · 28/06/2020 16:58

I wonder why the sudden urgent derailers?

Anyway. Back to Allison.

They’re acknowledging that they’ve purposely reduced the information surrounding the case

This is truly shocking. The bias, the partiality, when they state that the law is complex and they don't take sides, it's about allowing the process to happen...…. bloody hypocrites. It's appalling.

hellandhairnets · 28/06/2020 16:59

Sure, Jan

Grin
hellandhairnets · 28/06/2020 17:03

This is truly shocking. The bias, the partiality, when they state that the law is complex and they don't take sides, it's about allowing the process to happen...…. bloody hypocrites. It's appalling

They've more than fucked up here. Especially as it's all played out in public. How on earth do they think they can justify that? The fact they think they can, somehow, is deeply sinister.

wellbehavedwomen · 28/06/2020 17:04

@SuperJan

'LGB Alliance' is just a hate group.
Lesbians who don't want to be told that they have to accept women with penises in their dating pool are hateful?

I suppose they are, if your worldview is that of a MRA. But while you're here - why is it that trans people are allowed to have a myriad of specialist organisations to lobby and educate and meet their needs, but women and gay people are not, and must also centre trans people, or be told that they are hate groups? Is there any group at all that is not expected to centre transactivism? Inquiring minds would like to know. Of course it's absolutely right that trans people have their own groups, as well as be involved in groups that share other interests, traits, and aims. What is not okay is demanding inclusion in liberation movements for. other. people.

Lesbian and gay people are same sex attracted. They are allowed to be solely attracted by sex, and not gender. They do not have to accept that a lesbian can have a penis. It is homophobic and therefore hateful to deny them the right to their own spaces and groups.

Women are oppressed as a sex class. They are raped, trafficked, abused, paid less, beaten, killed and discriminated against as a sex class. They - we - have a right to collectively advocate in our own interests, and to meet our own needs. Stating that we do not, and must always centre the needs of people of the male sex class, is straightforward misogyny and therefore hateful.

The bigotry is naked. It demands that women, and gay people, submit to the wishes and demands of males, and heterosexual people.

Same sex attraction, and single sex provision, are not anyone else's to commandeer.

ChurchOfWokeApostate · 28/06/2020 17:13

Women seem to be the only people not allowed to centre themselves in their own activism

StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 17:31

I think this case has the potential to really show exactly how stonewall operates behind the scenes and how far its tentacles reach. My husband is a barrister and he says that the QC Allison has instructed is brilliant and absolutely at the top of her game. Stonewall will be heavily lawyered up (let’s face it, they have the money) but they will have their work cut out for them. If they have been interfering with the fund raising that will have been a huge own goal.

SummerSazz · 28/06/2020 17:41

@wellbehavedwoman - would you mind if I used some of what you said to articulate how I feel - I'm not great at putting things into words and I think you have it spot on. I won't reference here or directly c&p the whole lot. In fact I probably won't be brave enough to post it as I had a bit of a pasting when I supported JKR 😡

But as others have said, I'm a professional middle aged woman who has, quite frankly, had enough and I need to continue to call this out. I had a conversation with a group of women friends on this last week and they had NO idea as to the extent of self ID and M&S changing rooms etc

FloralBunting · 28/06/2020 17:44

At this stage, I'm starting to wonder if Stonewall operatives whisper 'Hail Hydra' to each other to achieve their aims.

KatieAlcock · 28/06/2020 17:51

30%...

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 17:53

Tweets by LGB Alliance on the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia & Transphobia earlier this year about homophobia and biphobia, and anti-trans tweets by LGB Alliance on the same day:

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
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StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 17:54

Super homework, Jan.

OhHolyJesus · 28/06/2020 17:58

Can't read those Jan

Are you new to MN?

It's funny that you had those tweets to hand in a collated format like that...

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SuperJan · 28/06/2020 17:59

@wellbehavedwomen

Who you are sexual with is entirely up to you.

Find me anyone from Stonewall who says that you have to be sexual with someone who's trans.

Your dating pool cannot be "all women" unless you're including the straight ones, i.e. the ones who don't want to have sex with you, and those lacking the capacity to consent, and... in which case, the predator is you.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 18:01

@OhHolyJesus

Can't read those Jan

Are you new to MN?

It's funny that you had those tweets to hand in a collated format like that...

I can’t read them either - in fact, this is how the look on my phone 😂
Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
MrJohnsonAteMyCustard · 28/06/2020 18:05

How do I donate? I don't understand all this stuff - technologically backward!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 18:07

What is this, a screenshot for MICE?!

Sorry, Jan, can't read it at all.

FloralBunting · 28/06/2020 18:09

Jan, please do tell the BBC, who currently have an article saying that a gay person who isn't interested in a person of the opposite sex is a transphobe if that person identifies as the same sex as the gay person.

I'm sure you're appalled and will be complaining, and I'm sure Stonewall will back you up. I'm so sure, Jan.

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 18:13

@OhHolyJesus

It's the numbers, not the 'every character' content that's important. If you want to see them, just go to their Twitter feed.

Assuming you know the date of the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia & Transphobia, of course.

(Also referencing @StandUpStraight)

Not my work - David Paisley at Twitter. It's very very memorable. Two seconds search for 'lgballiance idahobit' there.

See also his thread from January showing how few of their Twitter followers follow any of the Equality Network, the LGBT Consortium, Stonewall, Gay Civil Rights, Stonewall Scotland, LGBT Youth Scotland, Pink News, BuzzFeed LGBT, Queerty, Gay Star News, Attitude magazine, Diva Magazine, Birmingham Pride, Pride in Liverpool, Manchester Pride, Brighton Pride, UK Black Pride, Bristol Pride, Pride in London, LGBT+ History Month, GMFA, National AIDS Trust.
LGBT Friend, or Gallop, the LGBT+ domestic violence charity.

Or Woman's Aid and Refuge.

Their followers are simply not interested in lesbian, gay and bisexual rights organisations; lesbian and gay media; Pride; lesbian, gay and bisexual history; or lesbian, gay and bisexual health, well-being and welfare. Or critical women's services.

They're a hate group.

ThePurported · 28/06/2020 18:15

For anyone coming late to what's happened over the last day, Anya Palmer, a feminist lawyer on twitter, has just compiled a useful summary of events here:

mobile.twitter.com/anyabike/status/1277219504259555329

That's a great summary, thank you Pombear

StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 18:27

David Paisley the...actor? Gosh, thanks for the warning, Jan. I didn’t realise you could be a hate group if your followers don’t follow the right groups. You learn something new every day.

Now, to double or to triple my donation to Allison... Jan here has convinced me. Triple it is!!

twoHopes · 28/06/2020 18:28

Jan - I've sat in a pub garden with the people who founded LGB Alliance. It is not a hate group - it was set up to counter the propaganda pushed by many of the organisations (Stonewall, Pink News, BuzzFeed etc) that you mention. It's no surprise LGB Alliance followers do not follow those organisations.

Let's stop the derailing now.

OhHolyJesus · 28/06/2020 18:29

Jan I can't be bothered.

I just tripped over a grey rock and have to go see to my pedicure.

Stay hateful.

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SuperJan · 28/06/2020 18:37

@twoHopes

And I know one of them from the 1980s, and I'm deeply sad that they've gone full bigot.

You can say 'Oh, of course they wouldn't follow Stonewall', but not following any of Equality Network, the LGBT Consortium, Stonewall, Gay Civil Rights, Stonewall Scotland, LGBT Youth Scotland, Pink News, BuzzFeed LGBT, Queerty, Gay Star News, Attitude magazine, Diva Magazine, Birmingham Pride, Pride in Liverpool, Manchester Pride, Brighton Pride, UK Black Pride, Bristol Pride, Pride in London, History Month, GMFA, National AIDS Trust, Friend, or Gallop looks a lot like they're not lesbian, gay or bisexual, just anti-trans.

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