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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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7Days · 28/06/2020 18:39

Jeez superjan Twitter isnt actually the real world you know.
You're acting like a kid

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 18:40

I have issues with just about every single one of those highly problematic accounts you've listed there, SuperJan - with one or two notable exceptions. I see them as hate groups, to be perfectly honest.

One doesn't have to sign up to a particular ideology and follow certain Twitter accounts to prove one's sexuality.

AbsintheFriends · 28/06/2020 18:41

Not the right twitter followers? Wow, what compelling evidence! bangs gavel. No further questions your honour. The kangaroo court is now adjourned.

(Another chunk of cash in the pot here, ready for when we find out where to send it.)

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 18:43

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

Which are the "one or two" that you don't find "highly problematic"?

AbsintheFriends · 28/06/2020 18:44

(You do realise Jan, that because of the smears against the LGB Alliance, many people following them will have to do so from secret, second accounts? I have one of those, and I wouldn't want to pollute it with the anti-woman gas lighting of the likes of stonewall.)

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 18:58

@AbsintheFriends

If someone followed LabourSupportersAgainstTransRights (doesn't exist), and also followed Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, Alex Jones, Gavin McInnes, Pauline Hanson, Carl Benjamin, Nordic Resistance Movement, James Allsup, American Renaissance, League of the South, American Nazi Party, Paul Golding, Jayda Fransen and David Duke (all banned for far-right etc posts) but no Labour Party accounts..

.. would you believe they were in fact a Labour supporter?

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 19:00

@7Days

"Twitter isnt actually the real world you know.
You're acting like a kid"

You're confusing me with Graham.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 28/06/2020 19:04

Your accusations (and those of Stonewall) against LGB Alliance will (rightly) play out in a U.K. courts, so there really is no need to continue to harangue Mumsnetters, Jan.

7Days · 28/06/2020 19:04

I'm really not Jan

Theres no comparison!

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 28/06/2020 19:06

Did you really cross reference everyone who follows LGB Alliance in Twitter? Perhaps you should get out more.

AbsintheFriends · 28/06/2020 19:08

If someone followed an account with a name that included 'AgainstTransRights' I wouldn't be surprised if they followed all those other accounts.

The LGBAlliance isn't against trans rights. Its focus is the rights of LGB people.

titchy · 28/06/2020 19:12

I follow Donald Trump - does that make me a fan then? 🤷‍♀️

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 19:14

@AbsintheFriends

Show me where it's in favour of bisexual rights. We always get left out of their stuff in favour of 'lesbian and gay.. lesbian and gay.. lesbian and gay..'

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 19:15

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Wasn't me who did the work - see earlier - and it's very very simple to compare follower lists of two accounts and see who's in common.

You can do it in one line of code.

HeyBells · 28/06/2020 19:21

As I couldn't donate to Allison's case, I made a donation to Katie Alcock's case against girlguiding. She could do with some more digging. I heard Katie speak at WPUK conference and she was excellent, very memorable.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 28/06/2020 19:22

Well, how illuminating that was.

Back on topic, since AB's crowd funder will clearly suffer from the halt in momentum caused by the complaints, and since there seems to be a suspicion that the complaints weren't in good faith, will this give her legal team something more to think about?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 19:23

@titchy

I follow Donald Trump - does that make me a fan then? 🤷‍♀️
Grin

This is the absolute state of social discourse today, Jan. You are taking notes of who people DONT FOLLOW on Twitter, and using it against them.

My word.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 19:23

Has Allison's crowdfunder reopened yet?

prolefeed · 28/06/2020 19:23

Is that the same code as terfblocker that doesn’t allow women to follow who they want, Jan? Or a different bit of equally sinister code that distorts meaning?
I do not think the results shown by your code mean what you think they mean. Grin
I followed Donnie too (before I got banned) and I voted green (despite the Challenor disaster).
Am I really a right wing republican nut job? I follow him because he’s batshit and dangerous.
What ya doing with all those accounts you’ve harvested from the LGB Alliance followers list then? Getting all the nice techy transwomen to autoreport any posts they make so they are banned?
Honest to goodness, mate. You lot make it so easy. The constant self-sabotage is ridiculous.
You genuinely popped in to let us know that you’re stalking us and checking who we follow?
Dumb AF.
Good Lord.

AbsintheFriends · 28/06/2020 19:29

Show me where it's in favour of bisexual rights. We always get left out of their stuff in favour of 'lesbian and gay.. lesbian and gay.. lesbian and gay

Ah, right. Which of course is damning evidence of them being a hate group.

Xanthangum · 28/06/2020 19:36

I don't like sprouts.

SuperJan · 28/06/2020 19:44

@AbsintheFriends

"The LGBAlliance isn't against trans rights. Its focus is the rights of LGB people."

That would be why, when the UK Parliament account tweeted saying it would be flying the rainbow flag for a week, with a picture of said flag flying outside Parliament, the LGB Alliance didn't congratulate them but said "What makes you proud @UKParliament? Compliance with LGBTQAI+ insistence that a new flag is required?"

The LGB Alliance are so in favour of LGB rights, they cannot even recognise the six stripe rainbow flag that's been in use for the past forty years!

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 28/06/2020 19:44

I hope Allison wins her case.

StandUpStraight · 28/06/2020 19:47

Me too, wrongside. Lots of hugely interesting cases in the works at the moment. Need all the courts and tribunals to reopen properly so that things can start being heard.

titchy · 28/06/2020 19:48

I also follow Larry the Cat. Guess I'm dogphobic too Grin