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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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GlorianaCervixia · 28/06/2020 06:03

And it’s just passed £60,000. I think Crowd Justice taking down the fundraiser has pushed more people to donate. Well done to Allison. Her statement on Stonewall’s collusion with her employer was shocking.

McDuffy · 28/06/2020 06:19

Well done vipers Grin
Wonder how many donations came from FWR!

truthisarevolutionaryact · 28/06/2020 06:45

Such a shame that so many heartfelt comments about Stonewall's betrayal of lesbians have disappeared - as well as numerous comments from gay men. Still - when #nodebate has been your mantra for years, it's not going to change.

SophocIestheFox · 28/06/2020 06:54

Sort of proving her point there, really, weren’t you Crowdjustice? Confused

Glad it was reinstated, though as it’s passed its target, I’m too late to donate.

Good luck Allison, go get ‘em!

EdgeOfACoin · 28/06/2020 07:05

I just tried donating but it says they are not accepting new pledges?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 28/06/2020 07:06

Bunch if fuckers removing the comments.

At least they're refunding our tips, I was half expecting them to say they would donate them to fucking mermaids.

endofthelinefinally · 28/06/2020 07:07

I have donated to Katie's page. Deleted the extra donation for CJ.

Next month I will make another donation to LGB alliance.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 28/06/2020 07:13

That's not a neutral holding statement. How bloody dare CrowdJustice, they have effed up
majorly and they know it. There was nothing wrong with the content of Allison's statement. I hope she takes Stonewall to task.

EdgeOfACoin · 28/06/2020 07:20

I donated to Katie Alcock and Maya Forstater. Still can't donate to Allison Bailey despite page being 'reinstated' and a search for her name (even spelt correctly) doesn't bring anything up.

FaceOfASpink · 28/06/2020 07:27

Does anyone know what usually happens when a case meets its target? Would Allison need to raise the target so people can donate or is it usually automatic?
Have they deliberately stopped donations?

twoHopes · 28/06/2020 07:42

I'm sorry but I find that statement by CrowdJustice incredibly insulting. You're telling me a black, lesbian barrister's statement about mistreatment (including a personal story of sexual abuse) doesn't meet your "high standards for content"?

Fuck the fuck off you patronising bastards. Oh well at least she reached her target - no thanks to those spineless dicks.

OhHolyJesus · 28/06/2020 08:00

No new pledges but now over £60k so at least she gets her money.

I guess they didn't check with the Overlords Stonewall before putting it up yesterday.

We need new crowdfunding platforms...and new media outlets, new version of Twitter...

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eggsandwaffles · 28/06/2020 08:03

I posted this last night on the other AB thread but since this seems to be the dominant one...

I too stand with Allison. Thank goodness my eyes have finally been opened to this shitshow by JKR, Allison and others like them. I’ve been nodding along with the “progressive” left for too long without actually engaging brain.

That a supposedly neutral crowdfunding platform took down such a well-reasoned appeal from a woman with such experience and expertise, and such a history, which was clearly getting such strong support, is nothing short of sinister. And now it’s gone back up, censored?? Shock

Before I’d even realised it, free speech has already been eroded. I’ve seen friends on SM over the past few weeks spouting vitriol at “TERFs” on the back of the JKR, GRA and Drag Queen Story Hour news, and I genuinely don’t feel able to reply.

Hopefully I will, soon, like many of you brave women have, feel strong enough to stand up for what I feel is right. But how scary and dystopian is it that I, a young woman, do not feel safe or able to show my support for women’s rights or the reality female biology to my own friends and acquaintances!

I feel like I’ve stepped into some nightmare Orwell novel and not even spotted it until I’m already 100 pages in.

SocialConnection · 28/06/2020 08:06

Amazing what a spotlight a takedown shines on the cause! So pleased to see this is growing so fast. I bet there'll be some wittering on about right wing ultra Christian American billionaires blablabla contributing.

littlbrowndog · 28/06/2020 08:13

Why didn’t they let comments stand

Why didn’t they let Allison s statement stand

What sort of country do we live in now where this is happening

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 08:19

Argh I missed it! I will put those spades towards the girlguiding one instead.

Melroses · 28/06/2020 08:22

@EdgeOfACoin

I donated to Katie Alcock and Maya Forstater. Still can't donate to Allison Bailey despite page being 'reinstated' and a search for her name (even spelt correctly) doesn't bring anything up.
The page is now called "Holding Statement from CrowdJustice"
CaveMum · 28/06/2020 08:23

So glad it’s back up and will be donating again this morning.

Apparently journalists have been trying to get in touch with CJ but they’re not responding.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/06/2020 08:23

Why didn’t they let Allison s statement stand

I suspect either Stonewall or her chambers threatened them with hosting defamatory content?

Lamahaha · 28/06/2020 08:27

I dug a little bit and I'm so happy the target has been reached, and in record time. Just goes to show what a few silly mummies and their friends and allies can achieve when they put their heads together! Well done everyone and hope we can celebrate another victory soon. Wine

boatyardblues · 28/06/2020 08:29

Her statement on Stonewall’s collusion with her employer was shocking.

Yes, I wondered if this was what got it spiked. It looks really bad for Stonewall to have colluded in getting a lesbian removed by her employer and to have initially lied when asked to provide documents in response to a subject access request. No doubt they got their lawyers on to it pronto. Glad to see her opening statement has been republished in full elsewhere, as this censorship of women is infuriating.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 28/06/2020 08:34

@OhHolyJesus thank you for having copied Allison's statement for everyone to read, now that the craven Crowd Justice have censored it, at the behest of MRAs. Please, if Janice Turner and/or James Kirkup is reading, please bring Crowd Justice's conduct to national attention. The unsuspecting public need to know what sort of an organisation CJ are that those little donations are funding.

It's such a fucking joke that the supposedly most oppressed group to have ever lived wield such power. And over a black, lesbian woman, no less, in the shadow of the BLM movement; which just goes to show that the only black lives the so called progressive left care about are the ones that support their dubious, authoritarian narrative, not the ones that can actually think for themselves.

NotAGirl · 28/06/2020 09:32

Just tried again to donate (from a direct link) and can't apparently because it's met the stretch goal.

Allison if you're reading this Thank-you!! And lets us know when you need more funds

teawamutu · 28/06/2020 09:34

I'm going to put the equivalent donation into Katie's Girlguiding fund.

Glad the right thing (sort of) happened.

twoHopes · 28/06/2020 09:40

Had a skim through the Twitter feeds of Julia Salasky and CrowdJustice and found a lot of retweeting of Jolyon Maugham in there. Of course they operate in the same space but (conspiracy theory alert) I wonder if the Kimono QC had any influence on this page being removed?