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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 00:16

Great. I'll shovel more in the morning.

FaceOfASpink · 28/06/2020 00:23

The speed it's increasing at is Grin to see.

Melroses · 28/06/2020 00:25

@FaceOfASpink

The speed it's increasing at is Grin to see.
Yes, I missed it passing the 50K mark by over a grand Grin
Melroses · 28/06/2020 00:27

The explanation is hugely truncated and you can no longer include a message of support Sad

Imnobody4 · 28/06/2020 00:35

Have just added another donation. A real own goal it's rocketing and this is the middle of the night.

Update from CrowdJustice on Allison Bailey's crowdfunding campaign

Note: All funds raised on this page go directly to Allison Bailey's lawyer's client account

We have had complaints about some of the content of Allison Bailey’s case page and because of the serious nature of the complaints we followed our policy to take the page down while it was reviewed in detail against our Terms.

CrowdJustice stands for access to justice for everyone. We support Ms Bailey's right to access justice and for her case to be heard in court.

We know that there are thousands of you who want to support Ms Bailey’s legal fight. CrowdJustice does not take a view of her legal action – the courts should decide. While we address our concerns about the content of the CrowdJustice case page with the case owner and her lawyers,we have replaced the original CrowdJustice page with this statement so that she can continue to accept donations.

We messed up. We allowed Ms Bailey's CrowdJustice case page to launch before ensuring its content in its entirety met the high standards that our community expects of us. We realise that many of you are disappointed in CrowdJustice for the way we have dealt with this failing. As a recognition of this and help reassure our community that we are guided in this by morals and not money, we have disabled tipping – which is how CrowdJustice makes money – for Ms Bailey’s case and will refund tips already given.

Julia Salasky, CEO, CrowdJustice

27 June 2020

Binterested · 28/06/2020 00:37

Well that’s something. I’ll dig in the morning. Night all you warriors Grin

Porridgeoat · 28/06/2020 00:39

Perfect!

OvaHere · 28/06/2020 00:40

@Melroses

The explanation is hugely truncated and you can no longer include a message of support Sad
Yes. There's also no title to the fundraiser which looks strange when you share it.

I'm okay with them shortening the statement if they felt they had to go over it in more detail but there is no need to remove the other stuff.

Melroses · 28/06/2020 00:49

I hadn't seen that - it just says "Holding Statement from CrowdJustice", so you need the link to find it.

JemimaShore · 28/06/2020 00:55

We messed up. We allowed Ms Bailey's CrowdJustice case page to launch before ensuring its content in its entirety met the high standards that our community expects of us. We realise that many of you are disappointed in CrowdJustice for the way we have dealt with this failing. As a recognition of this and help reassure our community that we are guided in this by morals and not money, we have disabled tipping – which is how CrowdJustice makes money – for Ms Bailey’s case and will refund tips already given

What, in the name of Fuck, does that mean? They're not taking the little "donation" they asked for, when you finalise the transaction?

So the £5 they wanted from me - and I gave to them, because I thought they were a good cause - they no longer want? Fine by me!!

Double coming your way, Allison, and no donation to Crowdjustice this time. The absolute fuckers, acting like you've done something wrong....

ThePurported · 28/06/2020 01:00

CrowdJustice has lost the plot (I find it very hard to believe that they didn't review the case before publishing) but whatever, great that it's back up and Allison knows that lots of people are behind her Flowers

OvaHere · 28/06/2020 01:03

Just a reminder that Katie Alcock's Girl Guide fundraiser has only 1 day to go - also on crowd justice. Lagging well behind a lot of the others.

Maya's I believe is almost about to expire too.

Cascade220 · 28/06/2020 01:06

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prolefeed · 28/06/2020 01:08

I donated to Katie’s a while ago. Didn’t know it was expiring. I think there’s a wait for the next steps?

wellbehavedwomen · 28/06/2020 01:12

Allison's words are now available on FiLiA, in full.

pombear · 28/06/2020 01:14

That's an appalling holding statement, which I read as implying that Allison's cause is somehow below the high standards that
the CrowdJustice community expects of the site excusing themselves as they didn't check the content before it went live.

Just who are their community? I've donated to several cases on their site - am I not their community? Apparently not.

We realise that many of you are disappointed in CrowdJustice for the way we have dealt with this failing (ie the failing to ensure the content met the so-called high standards). I wonder if they triangulated the actual donors to campaigns on their site with those who were complaining about Allison's campaign, if the two would match? I suspect that many of the complainants may never have donated to any causes on their website.

Lots of people emailed them equally disappointed by their freezing of the crowdfunder (not as important emailers I guess, because, you know, women)

Don't want our tips? Are they tainted because we're women who would like to retain the meaning of women?

Fair enough.

Adding to my original donation tomorrow morning, without adding to the earlier tip (which I understand is not even possible anyway, and my earlier one will be refunded because my money apparently is not inline with CrowdJustice's 'morals').

The most insulting part is removing Allison's full story. But you can see why the complainants would want that gone - it's not a good look to complain against such a strong argument.

Watching these self-flagellation statements by any organisation that dares to step out of line by daring to host, platform, speak of any woman that isn't toeing the TWAW party-line is gobsmacking.

wellbehavedwomen · 28/06/2020 01:16

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pombear · 28/06/2020 01:21

Thanks for flagging wellbehavedwomen - off to support Katie again, but without any tips for CJ!

WhatAWonderfulDay · 28/06/2020 01:23

Dug for Katie Alcock (Girl guiding) and Maya - there's only 1 day left...

(and a little for Allison - yours has got a lot of support. I'll chip in some more next month)

Flowers for all of you fighting this on so many different fronts.

7Days · 28/06/2020 01:35

I read it differently.
Arse covering, sure. But you have to cover your arse these days

Its reinstated. Something new in 2020. With the disabled tipping you could nearly squint a bit and see an apology.
Maybe I'm easily pleased.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 28/06/2020 01:37

Well done, Julia Salasky. You have just thrown women under the bus in an attempt to appease male rights activists. And tried to dress this up as taking a moral stance. You are a pathetic coward. This woman will no longer trust or support your organisation.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 28/06/2020 01:45

I've bunged Katie some money, and taken great pleasure in deleting the donation to Crowd Justice. I'm taking a moral stance on organisations that cave in to women haters. I'll donate to Allison via LGB Alliance.

trueblue1 · 28/06/2020 02:08

I've pledged £20, nearly at 58k. I lurked on these pages for such a long time as I'm scared to be vocal on this as I can't afford to lose my job. I'm sick of seeing women being silenced, only my DH & DF know how I really feel about this because I'm too scared to speak out. If my £20 can help fight this crap least I've done something.

prolefeed · 28/06/2020 02:12

I read it differently. I see an apology for a knee jerk. 🤷‍♀️ I’m glass half full today Grin

Bluebooby · 28/06/2020 02:23

So glad this was reinstated. I wish I could help. Unfortunately every single penny counts at the moment and I can't. I truly wish her all the best with this.

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