Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

[cheeseismydownfall]

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

@Justhadathought

This is genuinely batshit invention on your part. You don't even know where I live myself, other than that it isn't Scotland. You also apparently haven't noticed that I'm not a Labour voter either

You're right; I've no idea where you live because you haven't said where......and no, I have not read the entire thread; but what I have read seems to consist of the usual " you don't care about deprivation and suffering, and how can anyone possibly vote for the evil Tories".

The Lib Dems are perhaps even worse than Labour, in my view ( & even more slippery), and the Greens sold out to trans ideology years ago.

Worth considering the possibility that it seems like that to you because you've not bothered reading then, since it bears about as much resemblance to what I wrote as the NSPCC's latest does to adequate safeguarding.

The reality is that what the Conservatives have done and will continue to do economically also shits on women. There are women who have been and probably are still being abused because of self ID ie women who have been raped by males in prisons, there are women who have been and still are being abused because of the two child limit to UC being used by abusers. There are clearly some posters who have a significant problem with mention of women's suffering and abuse because of austerity, but it's still happened.

There are clearly some posters who have a significant problem with mention of women's suffering and abuse because of austerity, but it's still happened

No one has done such thing. No one. If that’s what you are reading in to this thread then you probably best stepping away

@BovaryX

If we don’t focus on this now rather than bumping it down the queue the effects are going to be catastrophic

Carlotta
The authoritarian impulse in those whoharangue women for voting Conservative on this issue? It is one reason Labour was obliterated in Labour strongholds last December. The 21st century puritans didn't get elected to Mount Moral Highground. They self identified their ascension to its peak. In lieu of actually winning an actual election.

Didn’t they just! It would have been amusing to watch if I wasn’t so horrified.

I remember the day I watched a video of a labour members meeting and a women (sorry I can’t remember her name) stood up and calmly asked a question about GRA and members were booing and jeering at her, telling her to sit down. It was awful and it really affected me. We literally had no where to speak. The conversation was over. There have been lots of other instances but that always stuck in my mind.

@Carlottacoffee

There are clearly some posters who have a significant problem with mention of women's suffering and abuse because of austerity, but it's still happened

No one has done such thing. No one. If that’s what you are reading in to this thread then you probably best stepping away

Yes it has. If you can't see that then perhaps you should.

Never in a million years. They may know what a woman is but that doesn't make them an ally to our needs or how austerity specifically impacts women.

I'd vote for the best candidate in my area outside the Tories depending on how blind they are to mens demands.

There are clearly some posters who have a significant problem with mention of women's suffering and abuse because of austerity, but it's still happened

No one has done such thing. No one. If that’s what you are reading in to this thread then you probably best stepping away

Yes it has. If you can't see that then perhaps you should

Show me.

100% voting Conservative next time. The only party who gives a shit about stepping in to stop this avalanche of BS.

I don't vote for any of them. I just spoil my ballot paper.

@Carlottacoffee

* There are clearly some posters who have a significant problem with mention of women's suffering and abuse because of austerity, but it's still happened

No one has done such thing. No one. If that’s what you are reading in to this thread then you probably best stepping away

Yes it has. If you can't see that then perhaps you should

Show me.

Dances posts. Frankly I've got my doubts about you too, given your repeated requests not to post combined with the false claims. You're getting perilously close to bad faith territory.

I grew up bathed in the extreme left wing politics of northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s. The Thatcher era where we were hated and killed just for the area we lived in.

I never thought I vote Tory but if there were an election tomorrow I definitely wouldn't vote for any party who has entertained paedophiles, paedophile defenders, which has members who think children are born sexless or who've allowed men to take women's places and defended them in the sexual abuse claims agasint them,

No, they’ve handled COVID horribly

What posts? You are deliberately misleading and goading. And you are the one posting in bad faith.

I definitely wouldn't vote for any party who has entertained paedophiles, paedophile defenders
So who would you vote for Amalfi?

Dances posts. Frankly I've got my doubts about you too, given your repeated requests not to post combined with the false claims. You're getting perilously close to bad faith territory

Dance is a woman that’s been sexually abused. I think it’s perfectly natural for her to focusing solely on her whilst she heals. She doesn’t want men in her private space. Im astounded that you cannot/will not understand that and I’m unsure why you have singled her out through out this thread when many many have similar views.

What doubts are you having about me and what false claims have I made? What do you mean ‘getting perilously close to bad faith territory’?

Dance the superiority complex runs strong through PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock -who ever they are.

Thanks Carlotta
Yes I am focussing on my needs and start and also that of other women, whether or not they have been abused. Males in my changing room and single sex space would have serious effect on my personal freedom and mental health. This subject has had a detrimental effect on my MH for years now.

It's a sorry state of affairs that I have to mention abuse at all, but otherwise the accusations of privileged are rife, especially in relation to voting Tory.

Even in referencing my abuse, I am accused of trivialising the needs of women impacted by austerity and it's very obvious where I sit in the 'Intersection' in this scenario, which tells you all you need to know about bloody intersectional politics. Why should I not put my and other women's safety and privacy first? Why am I consistently thrown under the bus? Who made you princess the arbiter of the 'rights'? And the breathtaking arrogance of giving me a ticking off for my selfishness afterwards.

Unbelievable shit state of affairs.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Have not read any posts except OP. I've never voted Conservative and I won't start now. Pleased with their stance on reform of the GRA, not pleased with anything else they've done (understatement). Would be pointless for me to vote Tory anyway. I live in one of the safest Labour seats in the country. It would take a political earthquake for my MP not to be re-elected. My one vote won't change anything. I continue to vote anyway.

At the last general election I voted Green purely because the local candidate was GC and brave enough to say so. My MP is not. I met her (at her invitation, following an email I sent her) to discuss some of my concerns and was dismayed at her lack of knowledge on this issue. However, she is a good constituency MP and appears to be doing good work with her front bench brief to which Starmer promoted her after his appointment. She was never a Corbynite, doesn't belong to Momentum, and yet managed not to get deselected. I can only assume she is very astute politically.

If (and it's a very big if) Starmer moves away from identity politics and supports leaving the GRA as it is (too much to hope that anyone will promise to repeal it, I feel) and tightening up what happens at the Tavistock, I would start to feel I might be able to vote Labour again, because I have no doubt she would change her tune to keep in with Starmer. Otherwise, no.

It's not at all surprising she "managed not to get deselected". The number of deselected Labour MPs was tiny. It was the Tories who had mass deselections of moderates, not Labour. The vast majority of Labour MPs aren't and weren't Corbynite nor Momentum members, and the vast majority of them were never even threatened with deselection, let alone it going ahead. It's important to separate fact from media hysteria on these things.

I would never vote for them but when you refer to "...if the parties maintain their current positions", I don't think it's at all clear what their current positions are. The Tories haven't announced what legislative changes, if any, they are proposing, and Labour haven't announced whether they will support those changes. Presumably, things will become clearer by the time of the next GE.

What doubts are you having about me and what false claims have I made? What do you mean ‘getting perilously close to bad faith territory’?

Actually on checking it was just the one false claim, the one about calling everyone who disagreed with me stupid. I thought you'd claimed I voted Labour but while one of your posts indicates you may have made that assumption, you didn't vocalise it. So it is just the one false claim, apologies for incorrectly pluralising.

Either way though, that combined with you taking it on yourself to tell someone who disagrees with you whether they should post and one actual invention, plus the failure to acknowledge what Tory economic policy does to women, doesn't paint you as someone who's willing to engage with that aspect of the issue. But if I'm wrong and you understand how austerity has made women suffer and acted as a tool for abusers and will continue to do so, plus you feel it's an important part of the discussion, do state that.

@Carlottacoffee

Dance the superiority complex runs strong through PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock -who ever they are.

Pot, kettle, taking it on yourself to give opinions about whether other people should post.

No absolutely not. I would never have considered voting conservative anyway but I do agree with your points re women’s rights and I can see that the conservatives are the only party standing up for us at present. I just think they will continue to shaft us and the country in every single other way at the same time. I have voted labour the last few elections and Lib Dem’s or Greens in the past but unless Labour sort themselves out soon I honestly think I’ll be spoiling my ballot next election for the first time in 30 years.

Why did you bold me in that last post?

Yes I spoiled my vote in the last one Lounge but given the announcements on the GRA I will vote for them unless there is movement from another party. Which I doubt.

It was a quoted post, Dance, so it bolded the bits the original poster bolded.

I’d like to think the Conservatives would stand true on the issue but I’m doubting that now, as they haven’t stood true on much else.
Case of “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” afaic.

Yes. Trans ideology is terrifying. This whole debacle has made me a Tory voter. I know they are not perfect but they are better than the far left which seems to be what labour, Lib Dem and greens have become.