Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

[cheeseismydownfall]

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

It's not only the left's attitude to women that has alienated me, it's the authoritarianism

floisme

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable. When Labour constituencies which had voted Labour for a hundred years switched parties last December, one would have thought it might be a catalyst for a sober review of what they are doing and why it is alienating millions of voters. Zero evidence of that.

I'm pretty left wing and usually vote labour or green.
A lot can change in four years, but if, hypothetically, the tories were the only major party to stand against all the TWAW bullshit then I would vote for them based on that alone.

How about people stop trying to remove rights from women, and stop pretending its progressive to do so?

really aren't anywhere near the moral high ground!

@PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

You don't occupy the moral highground. You have a political opinion. You don't get to wag your finger and lecture other women on how to vote. Women can vote for any party they choose for whatever reason. Nobody requires your permission.

@BovaryX

It's not only the left's attitude to women that has alienated me, it's the authoritarianism

floisme

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable. When Labour constituencies which had voted Labour for a hundred years switched parties last December, one would have thought it might be a catalyst for a sober review of what they are doing and why it is alienating millions of voters. Zero evidence of that.

Bloody hell I know. I was expecting tail between the legs but no - like I said women over thirty are irrelevant they have their eyes firmly set on the millennials.

Never. Well not unless they return to the proper one nation conservatism of the likes of Ken Clark etc. And then I could be persuaded as an alternative to the woke shitfest of the current left. But that doesn't exist any more.

just heard on radio Kier (in response to Boris today) saying schools are safe to open fully to schools from Sep and he will work with (instead of against) the Gov to achieve this.
That is really really positive news as schools/ education for our children is a massive issue for me and I was fed up of hearing the unions oppose this. Hopefully that will get things moving for schools now.
If Keir carries on with this sensible approach then yes I will vote for him.
Assuming he also comes down firmly on the side of women and girls too.

Absolutely Thelnebriati

I'm sick to death being told I need to take one for the team. Fuck off.

The wheels will come off the TRA bus in the next 5-10 years, when all the ruined lives of all the poor kids hoodwinked into this awful ideology comes to light. In the meantime we need to stop it getting worse. If that means voting Tory, fucking damn right I'm going to do it, and will hopefully prevent some kids having their bodies mutilated and their health ruined.

And me and other women like me might be allowed some fucking dignity when we are getting changed, without being called bigots (or stupid) for having the temerity to think getting changed without males present is a reasonable expectation.

I know I will get flamed for saying this, but I just don't understand why Labour and the Left think they monopolise the moral highground. They look pretty intolerant to me.

@Dances

Bollocks you are sorry The unpalatable truth is that women always come at the back of the queue, often pushed there by other women. And we are supposed to be thankful and grateful for it.

No thanks

Well you evidently don't give the slightest fuck about all the women who have suffered and will continue to suffer due to Tory economic policy, seeing as how you kicked off at the mere mention of them.

Doesn't anyone think it's idiotic that the Tories can pay lip service to women's rights by opposing the interest of trans people and use it to cover up for their years of incompetence.

They would be using trans rights and Scotland as a way to bait undecided voters into voting for them when in reality there are far more important issues. As a woman, I care more about cost/availability of childcare, education, NHS, the plight of single mums. None of these would ever improve under the Tories.

@Dances

If they sort out this mess, yes

Do you mean the mess which is largely of their own making due to systematically dismantling services under the auspices of austerity and then handling the virus in a way which meant 1000s upon 1000s of people died needlessly.

@BovaryX

really aren't anywhere near the moral high ground!

@PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

You don't occupy the moral highground. You have a political opinion. You don't get to wag your finger and lecture other women on how to vote. Women can vote for any party they choose for whatever reason. Nobody requires your permission.

You need to read the sequence of posts that was part of much more carefully if you think I'm the one primarily responsible for finger wagging and lecturing there. The responses to what the Conservative economic policies have done to women were astounding.

Bizarre assumption that not voting Conservative must mean voting Labour carlottacoffee.

From what I can see it's not a welfare state vs maintain sex as a protected characteristic standoff.
If you redefine woman you redefine all the protections available to women. I can see how that can undermine women's access to welfare and services which help them deal with health, poverty, abuse and childcare etc.
We need representation to fight for all those things, do we get that without a definition of ourselves?
I really don't have a definite opinion on what I would do in the next GE, I am conflicted, there is more info I need to see and trust has been completely shattered on all sides quite frankly. Do I accept shit treatment of women but at least they call us women and we can fight from that positon? Do I hope for a fairer world but one in which women as a sex class don't really exist? Is that really fair?
I don't think you either care about recognition of the female sex or the welfare state, I think the two are part of the same safety net women are clinging onto for their lives.

No, you have out me, as an abused woman, down the list and it's you who is taking the superior tone.

Left wing authoritarianism - tell us what's good for us and we'll blody like it.

Next up - weaponising abuse

@BarbieandKenBruce

From what I can see it's not a welfare state vs maintain sex as a protected characteristic standoff. If you redefine woman you redefine all the protections available to women. I can see how that can undermine women's access to welfare and services which help them deal with health, poverty, abuse and childcare etc. We need representation to fight for all those things, do we get that without a definition of ourselves? I really don't have a definite opinion on what I would do in the next GE, I am conflicted, there is more info I need to see and trust has been completely shattered on all sides quite frankly. Do I accept shit treatment of women but at least they call us women and we can fight from that positon? Do I hope for a fairer world but one in which women as a sex class don't really exist? Is that really fair? I don't think you either care about recognition of the female sex or the welfare state, I think the two are part of the same safety net women are clinging onto for their lives.

They should be, but those of us who think that haven't really got anywhere to go at the moment have we?

@PrincessConsuelab

I have read the sequence of posts. Actually. You seem to think you occupy the moral highground by voting Labour. You dont. You seem to think this self identified elevation gives you the right to lecture women for daring to suggest they might vote differently to you. It doesn't.

@Dances

No, you have out me, as an abused woman, down the list and it's you who is taking the superior tone.

Left wing authoritarianism - tell us what's good for us and we'll blody like it.

Next up - weaponising abuse

Hardly. You're getting angry at the mere mention of the women whose abuse and suffering has been weaponised by Tory economic policies (and for all you know I could be one of them). You obviously couldn't care less about them, and your posts to me trying to prevent the mention of what the Conservatives have done to women reek with your belief in your superiority.

Yes, I would, although I live in one of the strongest UK Tory strongholds so this is academic. Lib Dem have lost me for ever to this cause.
It’s not because I think the Tories support women necessarily (I think Liz Truss’s position is carefully considered and thoughtfully put together which makes her an outlier). But that could change if KS - who I really like - took an immutable, unequivocal position in favour of women’s rights.
(Even Blair told the Labour Party to stay out of the transgender issue and not politicise it, so there is form for support of some kind from a type of Labour politician).

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No, that's not what I mean, and it's clear from my post that it's not

I think I have made it clear that this is a single issue for me. I will not be told there are 'more important' issues by randoms lecturing me on the internet. Funnily enough.

I'm genuinely laughing at posts asking me go consider the impact on women, to a woman who has suffered abuse and violence.

I really want to know the pecking order of abuse - it really should be made clear so that we get to know our place

Well you evidently don't give the slightest fuck about all the women who have suffered and will continue to suffer due to Tory economic policy, seeing as how you kicked off at the mere mention of them

I think Dances has every right to put herself first. Why should she put her pain behind everyone else's. She’s not being selfish - she is in self preservation mode. Many of us are.

[quote BovaryX]@PrincessConsuelab

I have read the sequence of posts. Actually. You seem to think you occupy the moral highground by voting Labour. You dont. You seem to think this self identified elevation gives you the right to lecture women for daring to suggest they might vote differently to you. It doesn't.[/quote]
Then you haven't been reading them very well, as there's literally nothing in any of my posts saying I vote Labour. For the very good reason that it's been some time since I did. And if you can't manage to read a few posts without inventing something that isn't there, you're not qualified to ascertain anything else about them either.

@Aesopfable

I take it you weren’t born in the 1970s then?

I was actually born in 1969 and grew up in a poor northern city under Thatcher, even that wasn't as bad as the damage done in the last ten years by the Tories.

@PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

They should be, but those of us who think that haven't really got anywhere to go at the moment have we?

Well, quite.

@Dances

No, you have out me, as an abused woman, down the list and it's you who is taking the superior tone.

Left wing authoritarianism - tell us what's good for us and we'll blody like it.

Next up - weaponising abuse

Dances

Nobody has the right to harangue you for your voting choices. You don't need to defend them. The UK is a democracy. The authoritarianism and self righteousness of those who think they can dictate that everyone is singing the same slogans from the same cliched liturgy? Nope. No sale.