Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

[cheeseismydownfall]

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable

Yes! I don't recognise a lot of what the current Labour party is about.
And like many previous Labour voters, I'll not be voting for them again until they ditch the American style inter-sectionalist/woke identity politics.

I grew up in a Liverpool that was devastated by Thatcherite policies and ideology (but also by containerisation and the switch to southern Europe facing ports).I became a political activist; and then a single parent at age 19.......so I've seen it all and heard it all....and there is still no way I'm voting Labour again.

Are you looking for the price of protecting yourself from being compelled to be naked?

Personally I'd rather share a bathroom with a transwoman (or even a refuge) than vote for a party (extreme point) that for instance, had a policy of withdrawing from the ECHR (I believe Tories want this) and deporting all immigrants. I understand others may not though. There are also lots of other things I'd put ahead of GRA as well (holding to account 180,000 deaths being one). All the while I would campaign vigorously against the loss of women's rights (as I have been) and don't mean to suggest I support self ID. I could see self ID (if passed) being overturned quickly when the impact on women's sport and crime stats etc was clear, plus I can see trouble for the NHS when young people who have been put on a trans conveyor belt sue.

So no, I wouldn't vote for a racist party just because they supported one issue I felt passionately about.

@Carlottacoffee

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

Why do you keep calling people stupid if they don’t agree with you?

Strange that you'd think that. Actually, I call them stupid if they're being stupid. So for example in your first post to me on this thread, I disagreed with your first paragraphs but only the part where you made the assumption that not voting Conservative meant casting a vote for Labour was stupid.

I refer you to my post at 14.08 DidoLamenting, where I stated that I'd never vote Communist even though they're GC.

@ATomeOfOnesOwn

Or 'JoannaCherry-QC, one of the first specialist sex crimes prosecutors and who has consistently championed single sex places and keeping the biological sex definition of women, and campaigned for more robust moderation by Twitter concerning threats'

Then why is she championing Salmond? It could not possibly be because there might be a challenge to Sturgeon in the near future and she's hanging her hat on Salmond's support?

You obviously couldn't care less about them, and your posts to me trying to prevent the mention of what the Conservatives have done to women reek with your belief in your superiority

It is actually you that is flaunting a moral high ground here. You seem to assume that all Mumsnetters are Home Counties and from privileged backgrounds, and are not aware of deprivation. We're not.......and still we're not going to be voting for Labour until they ( & their new generation of advocates) ditch the moral superiority, hatred and self righteousness. Oh, and the identity politics.

Also, it is possible, indeed most often healthy, to change one's perspective over the course of a life time of experience - and to also recognise that culture, values and personal responsibility also play a role in determining one's fate.

Would that include, say the BNP, NF etc? You know the other really racist parties.

Exactly how much misogyny should women have to tolerate in order to prove ourselves worthy?

I wouldn't want to vote for a racist candidate, but this comment, with its implication that anyone who votes Tory is a racist, just reeks of telling women to put everyone else's needs before their own.

I'm far from stupid Princess. You, however, are showing yourself to be deeply intolerant of differing views and quickly resort to insults .

I don't think there's an easy answer to any of this. The Conservatives created the issue with the reform of the GRA in the first place and are now walking back from it, leaving the other parties in a position that means they are all liars ie I don't believe for 2 seconds that they think TWAW or vice versa. They are lying for funding and political expediency.
Labour is a disaster. They are completely disconnected from their roots, from issues affecting working class communities and they've swapped any kind of class analysis for a version of identity politics that borrows heavily from US influence and lacks any kind of UK historical, social or political context.
The SNP, the Greens, the LibDems are all pretending they don't understand the difference between sex and gender, yet they all know which sex to throw under the bus.
But, for the first time ever, I am genuinely worried about the direction the country would take if the Conservatives won again. They are flirting with extremism in a way that should concern anyone with any knowledge of history. And the other parties have absolutely had a role in creating the current divisive climate but I do fear the Conservatives are more unchecked. They don't care about public opinion or global optics and that frightens me tbh.

@Justhadathought

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable

Yes! I don't recognise a lot of what the current Labour party is about.
And like many previous Labour voters, I'll not be voting for them again until they ditch the American style inter-sectionalist/woke identity politics.

I grew up in a Liverpool that was devastated by Thatcherite policies and ideology (but also by containerisation and the switch to southern Europe facing ports).I became a political activist; and then a single parent at age 19.......so I've seen it all and heard it all....and there is still no way I'm voting Labour again.

justhadathought

You know what's comical? There was a time when the left were dismissive of American exports as US cultural imperialism. Now? The entire incoherent canon of Judith Butler et al has been swallowed and regurgitated by those who chant #no debate because they can't debate.

Tbf the Tories are the only party even trying to stand up for women’s rights (protecting single sex spaces etc) - all the other parties are desperate to sell us down the river! The Lib Dem representative apparently confirmed that to achieve equality for women in the board room she would be happy with 50:50 men and trans women.

It is actually you that is flaunting a moral high ground here. You seem to assume that all Mumsnetters are Home Counties and from privileged backgrounds, and are not aware of deprivation. We're not.......and still we're not going to be voting for Labour until they ( & their new generation of advocates) ditch the moral superiority, hatred and self righteousness. Oh, and the identity politics.

This is genuinely batshit invention on your part. You don't even know where I live myself, other than that it isn't Scotland. You also apparently haven't noticed that I'm not a Labour voter either.

I'm far from stupid Princess.

Didn't say you were.

And ATome's 15.04 post is all correct.

Dido yy it could be that. It could be that she thinks if the court system means anything then it should mean that someone found not guilty should be able to continue with their life. I don't know.

I'm not defending Salmond. He may not have behaved illegally but he definitely behaved immorally. So did the party. If people come to you with a complaint and you say 'let's wait until we can use this for maximum impact' then you're failing those women ... and every other woman. I think Cherry is right in calling for an enquiry into how the Salmond complaints were dealt with because no company would have responded as appallingly as the SNP/government did. No side of the SNP comes out of the Salmond case well.

NO!

@DreadPirateLuna

And some people come across as sneering at people who have died needlessly and will continue to die needlessly because of austerity or Covid (or both). What about their real-life trauma, or that of their families?

I can’t see any posts sneering at what you have said.

What I can see is posts saying they feel so damaged at what’s been happening they are solely having to focus on their own safety.

‘Whataboutery’ -

‘I don’t want to get undressed in front of men’ - but what about the deaths of Covid?

‘I don’t want a male to be my rape councillor’ - but what about Brexit?

‘I don’t want a male to do my smear test’ - but what about women’s refuges?

‘I don’t want to be in prison with a male sex offender’- but what about the welfare system?

Can you see why some posters have just had enough of being at the back of the queue. Every single point is valid but for me personally mine and my daughters safety have to come first because no one else is willing to protect us.

If we don’t focus on this now rather than bumping it down the queue the effects are going to be catastrophic

Yes, the Tories did start the GRA thing as they were Stonewalled but they have pulled back when the implications of the legislation were provided to them by many women's groups.

Unlike Labour. Unlike the Lib Dems. Unlike The Greens. Unlike the SNP

They KNOW the implications for women and girls. They don't care, even to get the votes, simple as that. At least the Tories see the political oppurtunity. And it is a political opportunity.

We've all got our own priorities in mind. Mine personally is the intimate violation of women's spaces. As a woman and parent of a daughter I will fight it in anyway I can.. If its a toss up between a racist party that supports women's right or a misogynistic party that supports race right then ill be choosing the former. Judge me all you want but one isn't more virtuous than the other and women make up 51% of the population. I'll be fighting for them.

If we don’t focus on this now rather than bumping it down the queue the effects are going to be catastrophic

Carlotta
The authoritarian impulse in those whoharangue women for voting Conservative on this issue? It is one reason Labour was obliterated in Labour strongholds last December. The 21st century puritans didn't get elected to Mount Moral Highground. They self identified their ascension to its peak. In lieu of actually winning an actual election.

I would agree there's a political opportunity to be exploited for the Tories if they do fully push back against Stonewalling, particularly if they do anything of substance to tackle the number of organisations currently breaching the Equality Act.

The Tories are still a mainstream party,.

I know there were awful things like Windrush, but Labour's antisemitism hardly covers them in glory does it? And the Lib dems are straight out trolling women.

This is genuinely batshit invention on your part. You don't even know where I live myself, other than that it isn't Scotland. You also apparently haven't noticed that I'm not a Labour voter either

You're right; I've no idea where you live because you haven't said where......and no, I have not read the entire thread; but what I have read seems to consist of the usual " you don't care about deprivation and suffering, and how can anyone possibly vote for the evil Tories".

The Lib Dems are perhaps even worse than Labour, in my view ( & even more slippery), and the Greens sold out to trans ideology years ago.

The thing is, the Conservatives don't need my vote. They already have an 80-odd majority plus boundary changes that I believe work in their favour. It's the opposition that needs to be working out how they hang onto my vote - and how to win many, many new voters too.

The thing is, the Conservatives don't need my vote. They already have an 80-odd majority plus boundary changes that I believe work in their favour. It's the opposition that needs to be working out how they hang onto my vote - and to win many, many new voters too.

You would have thought that, after getting a pasting in their own back yard barely six months ago, that the left would have grasped what a dire position they're in and learned a little humility. Sadly it seems not.

You would have thought that, after getting a pasting in their own back yard barely six months ago, that the left would have grasped what a dire position they're in and learned a little humility. Sadly it seems not.

Sorry for repetition.

Oh there's even more repetition than I thought. Soz. Copy and paste function has gone rogue.

But you said it so well Flo

Floisme but everything you said ... twice ... is right