Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

[cheeseismydownfall]

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

My superiority? Projection much?

I have said my concern is for abused women like me and protecting our privacy. What, exactly, is 'superior' about that?

Except that I am unreasonable to centre my own safety and peace of mind. Get go the back luv.

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

I think you should back off Dances she has shared on this thread that she was abused and because of that experience she now has to focus on herself. Which many many victims have to do.

Your actually coming across as sneering at someone’s real life traumatic experience - which is deeply unpleasant

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable. When Labour constituencies which had voted Labour for a hundred years switched parties last December, one would have thought it might be a catalyst for a sober review of what they are doing and why it is alienating millions of voters. Zero evidence of that.

This ^ I'm a centrist who's voted Lib Dem and Green in the past but have either not voted or spoiled my ballot at the last two GEs because of their views on women's rights. I'm dismayed by the way anyone who has a different opinion to the woke left-wing is dismissed as a bigot/transphobe/racist etc with no debate allowed. So many people believe their opinions are actually right that anyone with a different opinion is wrong rather than someone who's come to a different conclusion to them.

I can't stand the current narrow mindedness and intolerance of different views dressed up as moral high ground. It shows a total inability to consider alternative views/different perspectives and is utterly tedious.

@Dances

Signature No, that's not what I mean, and it's clear from my post that it's not

I think I have made it clear that this is a single issue for me. I will not be told there are 'more important' issues by randoms lecturing me on the internet. Funnily enough.

I'm genuinely laughing at posts asking me go consider the impact on women, to a woman who has suffered abuse and violence.

I really want to know the pecking order of abuse - it really should be made clear so that we get to know our place

It's never a very good idea to assume a person you're talking to hasn't suffered abuse.

Anyway, laugh or not, I'll attempt to dampen the flames a bit. Unfortunately, we are not currently in a position where there's a major party that isn't shitting on women. There are excellent individuals, such as Joanna Cherry in the sea of dick panderers of the SNP, but no more than that.

I actually completely get and think it's understandable for someone to say I accept that austerity perpetrates these harms on women and also that self ID does, and I have chosen to prioritise whichever one of these for this list of reasons. That's fine. It might be that I'd make a different choice, but it would at least show understanding of the situation and ownership of the implications of the choice. Getting angry at anyone daring to even mention the implications of austerity though, nah. No excuse for that.

@Carlottacoffee

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

I think you should back off Dances she has shared on this thread that she was abused and because of that experience she now has to focus on herself. Which many many victims have to do.

Your actually coming across as sneering at someone’s real life traumatic experience - which is deeply unpleasant

It is an example of profound political tribalism. With a serious empathy bypass.

It is an example of profound political tribalism. With a serious empathy bypass.

The irony.

@Princessconsoulabananas

You should take a look at your own words on this thread. To multiple posters. Do you understand the meaning of 'irony?'

We will vote for whichever party commits to supporting women's rights as a sex class.
Would that include, say the BNP, NF etc? You know the other really racist parties?

I can't stand the current narrow mindedness and intolerance of different views dressed up as moral high ground. It shows a total inability to consider alternative views/different perspectives and is utterly tedious

Quite

[quote BovaryX]@Princessconsoulabananas

You should take a look at your own words on this thread. To multiple posters. Do you understand the meaning of 'irony?'[/quote]
You're not one to be suggesting others don't understand meanings of words when you see ones that aren't there. I'm afraid you simply aren't in a position to question anyone's understanding after that fuck up.

Would that include, say the BNP, NF etc? You know the other really racist parties?

Yes, I'd like to know that too. And what about the Communists? They're much further left than merely noting what austerity does to women, and they're not very happy with self ID either. Would people vote for them on the basis of their support for women's rights as a sex class? I'm quite happy to be clear I wouldn't vote for any of them.

I can't stand the current narrow mindedness and intolerance of different views dressed up as moral high ground. It shows a total inability to consider alternative views/different perspectives and is utterly tedious

Precisely. It is a reflection of what is being taught in schools and being promoted on social media. Zero critical thinking. The regurgitation of sloppy slogans. And a recurrent chant that Conservatives are literally Nazis.

DH and I were discussing the absence of critical thinking the other day after a heated discussion with teen DC who is inclined to believe anything they read on social media. We were wondering if there might be a need for some kind of board game which teaches critical thinking in kids (and adults)

Mental thread. Being accused of 'kicking off 'and 'superiority' when talking about choosing the political party which promises to stop women being forced to be naked in front of males in womens facilities, which I am frightened of due to abuse is....a first.

Although I am damn sure that I am not going to align myself with people who think this is reasonable.

Just when you think it cant get more horrible. I am not going to apologise for protecting myself. I am not a bigot for not wanting to be naked in front of males. Fuck SAKE!

@lakeswimmer

DH and I were discussing the absence of critical thinking the other day after a heated discussion with teen DC who is inclined to believe anything they read on social media. We were wondering if there might be a need for some kind of board game which teaches critical thinking in kids (and adults)

It could do with also teaching that we don't live in a two party system with compulsory voting, if some of the recent responses to the thread are anything to go by.

Vote for who you like. OP asked if we would vote Conservative at the next election, I won't because the majority of their policies are damaging to the most vulnerable in society including women. The fact they can recognise the sex of the person they are damaging is less important to me. Others have different points of view, that's why we have a democracy. It's not lack of critical thinking to not vote for that bunch of idiots though

What do you mean Ken ? Are you looking for the price of protecting yourself from being compelled to be naked? How 'far right' will I go to avoid it?.

Maybe you should ask at which point is it ok that women are compelled to be naked? At the cost of the NHS? Because the Tories fucked up Covid?

At some point in the proceedings though, it is clear that is women who need to pay.

Where is your line?

Your actually coming across as sneering at someone’s real life traumatic experience - which is deeply unpleasant

Yes Princess- you really are.

I particularly liked your "gotcha" about people mistakenly assuming you voted Labour. In a Westminster context it's still a straight Labour/Conservative contest - voting for one of the minority parties is largely irrelevant.

I suppose you might be in Scotland where we are unfortunate enough to have the option of voting for the SNP.

On that note I see Joanna "let's let Alex Salmond back into the party as soon as possible- his own Counsel described him a creepy sex- pest, but hey he was found not guilty" Cherry is being touted as some sort of saviour of women kind.

I would never vote Tory.

And some people come across as sneering at people who have died needlessly and will continue to die needlessly because of austerity or Covid (or both). What about their real-life trauma, or that of their families?

@DidoLamenting

Your actually coming across as sneering at someone’s real life traumatic experience - which is deeply unpleasant

Yes Princess- you really are.

I particularly liked your "gotcha" about people mistakenly assuming you voted Labour. In a Westminster context it's still a straight Labour/Conservative contest - voting for one of the minority parties is largely irrelevant.

I suppose you might be in Scotland where we are unfortunate enough to have the option of voting for the SNP.

On that note I see Joanna "let's let Alex Salmond back into the party as soon as possible- his own Counsel described him a creepy sex- pest, but hey he was found not guilty" Cherry is being touted as some sort of saviour of women kind.

Its still a straightforward two party Tory and Labour contest at a Westminster level (GE not being the only elections anyway) even though they dont both even stand in all seats in the UK, let alone both have a realistic chance of winning? Righto. I had been joking about the addition to the political board game, but apparently it might be more necessary than I thought. There really isn't any way to make an assumption that someone who correctly and evidently inconveniently notes what austerity has done to women must be a stated Labour voter be anything other than really stupid.

And no, I'm not in Scotland. I wasn't aware of Cherry supporting Salmond either until now, but then that just furthers the idea that you can fully understand the need for sex based protections whilst still also shitting on women in other ways.

I thought that too Stella. I never have either.

But I will, if I need to, to stop this dangerous policy from getting worse.

And if you think austerity negatively impacts women, wait until we do not have the means to legally define and protect ourselves.

Single Issue. Big Hill.

No.

My understanding, growing up, was that the Labour Party were nice but hopeless, and the Tory Party was not nice but competent.

I have been appalled at the incompetence of this PM and Cabinet.

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

Why do you keep calling people stupid if they don’t agree with you?

There really isn't any way to make an assumption that someone who correctly and evidently inconveniently notes what austerity has done to women must be a stated Labour voter be anything other than really stupid

I suppose you might be a Communist. My position on anyone declaring they are a Communist is clear on the Sarkar thread.

Or 'JoannaCherry-QC, one of the first specialist sex crimes prosecutors and who has consistently championed single sex places and keeping the biological sex definition of women, and campaigned for more robust moderation by Twitter concerning threats'