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Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

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cheeseismydownfall · 23/06/2020 07:21

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

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MujeresLibres · 23/06/2020 08:01

Yes, I would consider it. I am in a safe Labour seat though so it would just be a protest vote.

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VortexofBloggery · 23/06/2020 08:02

No.

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Helmetbymidnight · 23/06/2020 08:04

its fascinating to see that despite their handling of covid, despite the continuous stream of lies and cover-ups and racism, despite heading for a hard brexit, people feel that voting for them is keeping an open mind Grin

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BarbieandKenBruce · 23/06/2020 08:05

I don't think I could vote against women's rights so that rules out L, LD and G. However I think single issue politics is a dysfunctional state of affairs (see abortion in the US and of course there's flavours of the same in Brexit) so I am really stuck and questioning myself. Feel very unrepresented as someone who cares about much more than WR, but at the same time can't put my tick in the box for anyone who is actively supportive of dismantling them.
Its a barmy state of affairs. I found myself agreeing with an article online the other day then saw it was from the 'Conserbative Woman' website. That is equivalent to the universe turning inside out for me.

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Jintyfer · 23/06/2020 08:05

Yes. I have and I will do again. I despise labour and the left and the way they treat women. A liberal leftie I am not and never will be.

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RufustheRowlingReindeer · 23/06/2020 08:06

I have no idea, its really hard

We live in an extremely safe tory seat so they will get in whatever (boundries were changed in the 70’s to ensure a tory vote so they might change I suppose)

We voted tory, if we voted at all for many years. I voted lib dem in 2015, and 2017 (i think) but obviously whats her face said that they didn’t want votes from people like me...and i am very helpful so I didn’t vote for them In 2019...neither did dh or ds1

Tory husband loathes this current government as do i so I really can’t see us voting for them...maybe labour if Keir manges to change some of the issues?

Long post to say ‘fuck knows’

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DidoLamenting · 23/06/2020 08:08

Yes, If a Conservative candidate was likely to keep the SNP out , yes. In practice this means I vote Conservative in Holyrood elections and Lib Dem in Westminster elections.

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WitchyMoo · 23/06/2020 08:09

Yes I would

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NonnyMouse1337 · 23/06/2020 08:09

Not quite sure yet, but it would depend on the candidates, how far the current Conservative government has strengthened and protected women's rights, what is in the manifestos of all the parties etc.

I'm in Scotland, so could vote Conservative in either the General election or the Holyrood one. I have never voted for them before, but I'm willing to consider it.

I'm sick of women's rights always being last in the queue and viewed as easily disposable in favour of other issues. Other policies can always be protested and opposed and reversed. Once women's rights are lost, they will likely be lost for good or a very long time. It will be very hard to get them back because it will be framed as a great violence and infringement of human rights for trans people. I mean, all this current government has done is say 'hey we won't reform the GRA just now but keep things as they are.' and there's a huge wailing and shrieking about trans rights being rolled back and how trans people will now need asylum elsewhere. 🙄 How much more disingenuous can they get?

Once women's rights are lost, I think the only way they will sort of come back is if a party that is more right wing than the Conservatives will stand at elections and claim to be willing to protect women.
Just like all the parties ignored issues and concerns around immigration until people started voting UKIP, I think something similar will happen for women's rights. Once they are lost, all the parties will ignore the ramifications and concerns of the general public. Then a party with more right wing credentials will talk about 'protecting our women and children again' and people will start to vote for them out of frustration. And that's a slippery slope because then all sorts of crazy things can happen (like Brexit). Smile

So better to find more moderate ways of ensuring women retain their rights to single sex spaces instead of waiting for something bigger to detonate in response to the trans lobby. Because then we're all fucked.

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Milicentbystander72 · 23/06/2020 08:09

Yes I would consider it. A good friend if mine is a Tory MP and is an out gay politician and has received nothing but support from his party for years. I often talk to him about things that he sees going on behind the scenes. Very interesting.

Perhaps if Starmer starts to seriously get hold of the extreme crazy wokeness within his party (Dawn Butler and Lisa Nandy I'm looking at you) I would happily return to Labour.

I normally vote Lib Dem but they lost me years ago.

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EmperorCovidula · 23/06/2020 08:09

I tend to vote Tory more often than not. I don’t think I will next election. I don’t have any confidence that the Tory party is more economically competent than what Kier will be able to cobble together for the next election. Nor do I think either party will be particularly better on women’s (or anyone’s rights). If there was a liberal party I would vote for them but there isn’t, without that option, and in the absence of any Marxist nonsense, I don’t see enough of a difference to care really. Might just not vote.

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Skyliner001 · 23/06/2020 08:10

@cheeseismydownfall

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

😂😂 No
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DrudgeJedd · 23/06/2020 08:13

Probably not tbh. I'd love to go back to voting Labour but Starmer needs to stop indulging the loud minority of members pushing their liberation groups & shitty anti-Semitism. Hopefully than trans pledge will sink without trace since two of the people who wrote it were accused of being sex pests on twitter this weekend. Some of the young women coming forward said they hadn't done so earlier in case they were accused of transphobia.

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TitianaTitsling · 23/06/2020 08:15

Yes. Mainly because of the shit show of the SNP and their absolute blatant hatred and disregard for women and girls. And from a party with a female leader, abhorrent!

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Enderthedragon · 23/06/2020 08:15

No, I wouldn't because they are a shower of lying bullshitters.

However, if we were going purely on how misogynistic either side were, then I would say that the left were more misogynistic, despite Owen Jones and his ilks declarations of how 'passionate' they are about women's rights.

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EmperorCovidula · 23/06/2020 08:15

@Helmetbymidnight I struggle to see what labour would have done differently re covid. It’s not like they would have started closing borders in February, if you are referring to lockdown delay it’s a bit deluded to think it would have made any difference. Many people don’t mind a hard brexit, or even want one. Re racism it doesn’t seem any more racist than other parties, I’m not sure what makes you think it is. I’m not sure I’d call it open minded to consider defecting to the tories but pretending that labour is any different is deluded, they’re just two different brands of more or less the same thing.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/06/2020 08:17

Have not read any posts except OP. I've never voted Conservative and I won't start now. Pleased with their stance on reform of the GRA, not pleased with anything else they've done (understatement). Would be pointless for me to vote Tory anyway. I live in one of the safest Labour seats in the country. It would take a political earthquake for my MP not to be re-elected. My one vote won't change anything. I continue to vote anyway.

At the last general election I voted Green purely because the local candidate was GC and brave enough to say so. My MP is not. I met her (at her invitation, following an email I sent her) to discuss some of my concerns and was dismayed at her lack of knowledge on this issue. However, she is a good constituency MP and appears to be doing good work with her front bench brief to which Starmer promoted her after his appointment. She was never a Corbynite, doesn't belong to Momentum, and yet managed not to get deselected. I can only assume she is very astute politically.

If (and it's a very big if) Starmer moves away from identity politics and supports leaving the GRA as it is (too much to hope that anyone will promise to repeal it, I feel) and tightening up what happens at the Tavistock, I would start to feel I might be able to vote Labour again, because I have no doubt she would change her tune to keep in with Starmer. Otherwise, no.

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Helmetbymidnight · 23/06/2020 08:19

why are you asking me about labour? this is about voting cons- no i wouldnt - boris govt is beyond appalling.

we are ranked 150/180 in the world for worst response to covid in the world. i think anyone who considers theyve handled this well hasnt been paying attention.

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DaisiesandButtercups · 23/06/2020 08:19

Like you OP, I have voted Green, Labour and Lib Dem in the past.

I feel totally politically homeless. It is pretty shocking that not one party on the left supports women.

Like you I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country. The Tory candidate typically gets more votes than all the other candidates combined. So my vote is pretty meaningless anyway. However I would find it hard not to turn out at all. I may end up spoiling my paper...

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AdoreTheBeach · 23/06/2020 08:21

Yes. My opinion is they’ve done the best they can in these situations. I know there’s many opinions, this is mine.

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testing987654321 · 23/06/2020 08:21

Well I spoiled my ballot paper at the last election. I emailed my candidates regarding women's rights and transgender clashing.

Responses were:
Lib Dem: TWAW end of argument. I pointed out it was nonsense in returrn.
Labour (safe seat): appreciated my concerns but TWAW and my hypothetical question re smear tests hadn't happened in his experience so he didn't see an issue.
Green: the most thoughtful response, understood issues but TWAW and we must stand up for them.
Tory: no response.

I can't see myself ever voting Tory, but I will not vote for anyone who won't support women's rights.

My hypothetical question was asking whose rights wins in a direct clash of me asking for a female to perform a smear test and a TW saying they can do it because they are female.

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sashagabadon · 23/06/2020 08:22

@Helmetbymidnight

its fascinating to see that despite their handling of covid, despite the continuous stream of lies and cover-ups and racism, despite heading for a hard brexit, people feel that voting for them is keeping an open mind Grin

but people have different views. I feel they have handled covid as best they could with a novel virus no one knew about in Jan.
Yes they could have done some things better (ppe, care homes, testing at start spring to mind) but some things have been good (NHS, nightingale hospitals, testing now excellent - not back in March/ April, vaccine and treatments, financial response)

Labour have had these issues too and would have followed the same science if they had won in Dec - the same scientists would have been giving the same scientific advice at the same time.

I try and look fairly at both.

Labour could be back in the game in 4 years time - I hope they are but they need to get a few more competent ministers - I like Keir but think a lot of the MP's are just not good enough and I think they need to drop the identity stuff as that just divides people.
I hope they do, I think Keir wants to - but his membership (young, woke etc) stops him. He needs to ditch as many of them as he can.
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Defenestratethecat · 23/06/2020 08:24

I did in the last election for the first time in my life. It will be the last. I knew I would regret it. There were good reasons, but turns out they weren't quite good enough Hmm

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FedUpAtHomeTroels · 23/06/2020 08:24

I'd vote Labour if Kier Starmer wakes his woke idiots up and protects womens rights.
If not then it'll be Conservative.

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StarintheMorning · 23/06/2020 08:25

Well I couldn’t bring myself to vote for any of them at the last election, so I spoilt my ballot paper. I feel disenfranchised at every election, as I live in one of the safest Tory seats. I have voted Labour at every election since 1983 in three different constituencies and I have never voted for the returned MP.
This was a strongly discussed issue on here at the last general election, and I get that politics shouldn’t be single issue, but for me at the moment, it is. If this is how left wing parties treat women now what will they be like if they actually have power and the mandate to do as they want.

I still cannot bring myself to vote Tory, and my local Tory MP is useless. She has one surgery every 4/6 weeks, in a huge rural area and won’t deal with anyone direct outside of these.

So I felt free to ‘protest’ at the last election, basically because we knew who would be elected, my vote would not be missed, but also because, courtesy of Posie Parker I had some wonderful stickers that were looking for a good home!😀

For those that said it’s pointless protesting, no one notices spoilt ballot papers, our local Labour Party noted many female protest votes and despite having made gains in local Town and County elections (unheard of in this area) their vote tanked at the GE.

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