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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Cleese defends JKR

219 replies

TheKrakening3 · 19/06/2020 07:12

Thanks mate. The more the merrier.

John Cleese defends JKR
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WatchoutfortheROUS · 20/06/2020 00:46

Yay! Go John Smile Thank goodness the fog may be starting to clear!!

sabinaapplecross · 20/06/2020 08:52

whensmynexthol1day - this is the Danish guy

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=77&v=NDrhMrqBe48

DickKerrLadies · 20/06/2020 08:58

With the difference in tone - it's almost as if the TRAs actually can tell the difference between men and women.

MadamShazam · 20/06/2020 10:02

@Mumoblue I feel exactly the same way. I don't hate anyone, and everyone should be able to live in a way that makes them happy, but I cannot understand any of this at all. I don't know why JKR has received such vitriol over her comments. That is her view and she is entitled to it. She is not spreading hate, she was stating facts. 🤷‍♀️

RoyalCorgi · 20/06/2020 10:39

Cleese's latest tweet:

"Transphobic in the sense that anyone who doesn't agree with them, must hate them ?

Because -phobic implies hate and disgust, doesn't it ?"

Once again hits the nail on the head. Once again no one is telling him to choke on a lady dick or die in a grease fire.

ThePurported · 20/06/2020 10:51

With the difference in tone - it's almost as if the TRAs actually can tell the difference between men and women

Yeah, funny that.
The difference in tone is disturbing, and it's not just good old-fashioned sexism.

Marcus Evans touches on this phenomenon in this article:

Why I Resigned from Tavistock: Trans-Identified Children Need Therapy, Not Just ‘Affirmation’ and Drugs

quillette.com/2020/01/17/why-i-resigned-from-tavistock-trans-identified-children-need-therapy-not-just-affirmation-and-drugs/

"Basic biological realities and differences between sexes can provoke intense feelings of exclusion in some members of the trans community. Every person is different, but some individuals seem to believe that they have been traumatically excluded from their rightful female gender, and so any attempt by natal women to exclude them is experienced as a psychological attack (as evidenced by their sometimes shockingly intense expressions of anger at biological women).

I believe that this sensitivity to exclusion from female spaces is sometimes related to unconscious anxieties and grievances associated with traumatic separation from the primary carer. This helps explain why some members of the trans community act as if their psychological wellbeing hinges on their right to enter any female space whatsoever, even though biological women can feel this to be intrusive and threatening.

American-Canadian sexologist Ray Blanchard coined the term autogynephilia to describe a male’s propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. But even in cases where such sexualized impulses are absent, a trans woman may be impelled by a desire to establish a self-embodied replacement for a mother (or mother figure). In my clinical experience, such forceful psychological defences dominate the mind, and thereby make it difficult for the person to consider alternative views or underlying psychological structures.

In parallel with these attachment issues, children also are presented with the reality associated with their biological limitations as boys or girls. This can provoke fixations or rivalrous feelings in regard to the other sex. As part of normal development, the child experiments with different ways of expressing their sexuality and relating to the opposite sex. A boy has to come to terms with the fact that he has a penis and that he eventually will have to penetrate a woman to create a baby. A girl has to allow herself to be penetrated if she wants a child. The anxiety caused by these different sexual roles and their different requirements may cause extreme distress or anxiety, which then leads to a denial of sexuality. (When one child I know was told how babies were made, he replied that it was disgusting and that people could get hurt.) The physical difference between the sexes may be experienced as so traumatic that it leads to an attempt to deny sexual differences altogether, as men may envy women their reproductive capacities while women may envy a man’s potency and perceived power in the world. It’s a universal human phenomenon that we all have to wrestle with and resolve."

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/06/2020 10:51

Oh no, is Rowling not womaning correctly?

If it were merely ignorance, that would be one thing. That can be remedied or ignored. But she is down right defiant, to the point of hate.

Defiant, she is. Can't have women acting like that.

Smallsteps88 · 20/06/2020 10:59

A defiant woman!? Shock never heard the like of it. Disgraceful.

woodhill · 20/06/2020 11:00

Of course they are centre of the universe and no one else's perspective matters

Sexnotgender · 20/06/2020 11:55

But she is down right defiant

Oh good lord how DARE she😱 it’s so fucking condescending and arrogant.

MiddlesexGirl · 20/06/2020 12:23

I believe that this sensitivity to exclusion from female spaces is sometimes related to unconscious anxieties and grievances associated with traumatic separation from the primary carer.

American-Canadian sexologist Ray Blanchard coined the term autogynephilia to describe a male’s propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. But even in cases where such sexualized impulses are absent, a trans woman may be impelled by a desire to establish a self-embodied replacement for a mother (or mother figure). In my clinical experience, such forceful psychological defences dominate the mind, and thereby make it difficult for the person to consider alternative views or underlying psychological structures.

That's interesting. A former close acquaintance, now TRA fits that perfectly.

MockersMisguidedByTheScience · 20/06/2020 12:45

"My Name is Norman Bates. I'm just a normal guy...."

excitedemmi · 22/06/2020 19:23

I've outed myself on Facebook as gender critical. Might need some help replying to the flaming I'm bound to get!

2Rebecca · 22/06/2020 19:30

I asked my student son why he thought there was such a difference in the way JK and John C were treated and he said

"I think that's because John Cleese was already hated as an old white man/gammon, he had already gone against many aspects of political correctness. Whereas on non trans stuff JK was pretty woke. Also the trans activists are young. JK has had a bigger impact on their life than Cleese. "

gardenbird48 · 22/06/2020 20:15

if one has a beard and a penis, and like to beat and abuse women, behave aggressively towards anyone who has a different view, target children (on JKR's Twitter comments) with obscene language etc etc what aspect of 'being a woman' is being achieved here?

ThePurported · 22/06/2020 21:53

what aspect of 'being a woman' is being achieved here?

All of it! You just have to accept that it's a 'female' beard, a 'female' penis, 'female' aggression, etc. etc.
Layla Moran said "some women have beards" when another MP asked a similar question.

Goosefoot · 22/06/2020 22:33

This put my in mind of the fact that Cleese and the rest of the MP guys were told by the one of the directors (I think?) at the BBC that they would never be picked up for a comedy sketch show now. Because they are too white and male, basically.

This puts kind of a different spin on that.

ThePurported · 22/06/2020 23:27

Because they are too white and male, basically.

Plenty of white male comedians on the BBC.

Goosefoot · 23/06/2020 00:27

@ThePurported

Because they are too white and male, basically.

Plenty of white male comedians on the BBC.

I believe the problem was that as a group they were too white and male. They'd have needed to add some diversity members.

But I'm not the one who said it:

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bbc-comedy-future-new-shows-2018-2019-shane-allen-a8406331.html

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 23/06/2020 11:05

My worry is he will do an reverse ferret and say he was confused etc...

100% will not happen.

RedToothBrush · 23/06/2020 11:14

100% will not happen.

This

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2020 12:27

But she is down right defiant

Oh dear. Here's to all the unapologetic, defiant women Wine

ThePurported · 23/06/2020 12:37

I believe the problem was that as a group they were too white and male. They'd have needed to add some diversity members.

No, Shane Allen said that BBC Comedy wouldn't "assemble a team" like Monty Python. That's a fair comment in the sense that comedy writers now come from more diverse backgrounds so any team 'assembled' by the BBC, as he (arrogantly) put it, would - hopefully - naturally reflect existing diversity in the available talent pool.
That is my reading, but his comments did come across as arrogant and a bit humourless, given that it was MP's 50th anniversary. Maybe he doesn't like Python? Grin

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 23/06/2020 12:40

down right defiant

There's a T shirt waiting to happen.

Goosefoot · 23/06/2020 19:15

@ThePurported

I believe the problem was that as a group they were too white and male. They'd have needed to add some diversity members.

No, Shane Allen said that BBC Comedy wouldn't "assemble a team" like Monty Python. That's a fair comment in the sense that comedy writers now come from more diverse backgrounds so any team 'assembled' by the BBC, as he (arrogantly) put it, would - hopefully - naturally reflect existing diversity in the available talent pool.
That is my reading, but his comments did come across as arrogant and a bit humourless, given that it was MP's 50th anniversary. Maybe he doesn't like Python? Grin

They didn't assemble MP though so that seems an odd thing to have said? - but I suppose you could be right that is what he meant.