John Cleese defends JKR

[TheKrakening3]

Thanks mate. The more the merrier.

It’s about mitigating risk. The majority of paedophiles are male. The majority of primary school teachers are female but we still background check everyone.
Saying oh well it happens anyway is callous, oh well women get raped anyway so why try and reduce the risk?

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

What's a good response?
I'm sure someone has a better one, but I go along the lines of "One rape or sexual assault is one too many. Anything that reduces safeguarding should be avoided. I'm not willing to sacrifice even one woman's safety for a man to feel comfortable peeing. As trans women commit crimes at similar rates to other men, and male predators identify as trans to gain access to women and girls, this reduces safety for women and girls. At least now if there's a man in a woman's space he can be asked to leave."

Or

"How many women and girls being sexually assaulted or raped would it take to reach the point at which men need to be told to respect trans-identified males in male spaces? For me, I am not willing to sacrifice even one woman's safety. Ever. You obviously think differently, so I'm wondering what that number is."

Or

"Nobody thinks every man is a rapist, but we don't let them in female spaces anyway, in part, because some are."

Or
"I don't think you/your male relative is a rapist, but he still doesn't have a right to be in women's spaces. It's not just about being raped, it's about dignity. If trans women require dignity away from other men, they should have it, but then they need their own space. Surely they wouldn't feel comfortable sharing spaces with GC women anyway, right?"

Or variations in those themes depending on my mood and level of pissed-offness!

@SciFiScream

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

What's a good response?

At the moment, if a man enters a female changing room or toilet, I can ask him to leave, or make some kind of loud fuss. If I felt really threatened by him being there, I could scream loudly for help.

If self-id is allowed, then I can no longer do this, because transphobia. So if a man entered a female-only space with the intent of doing harm to women, he would be far more likely to succeed than currently.

Predatory men will always find a way in.

Yes they will but you don’t have to make it fucking EASIER.

Argh sorry I’m grumpy.

Good for him. Funny how he's not being threatened with rape and murder. I wonder why that is?🤔 What he said will be framed as LiTeRaL vIoLeNcE though, I guarantee it.

@MrsJamin

That Loretta speech in the life of Brian is flipping incredible. Boils down the whole issue in a minutes comedy. here it is in case anyone hasn't seen it!

I remember when this was just satire.

I've started saying something like: - "so it doesn't matter about a few women feeling unsafe, but we have to dismantle all our single-sex spaces because a few transwomen feel unsafe? Can you not see how misogynistic that is?"

If i go out and leave my front door unlocked and I am birgled it will be my fault for leaving hte door unlocked.
If I have locked all my doors and windows it doesn't mean I will never be burgled but it does reduce the risk....a lot.

That is how I view allowing self ID men to enter a woman only space.
It makes it very easy for any male who wants to attack be it verbally or physically.

WHy would we want to do this to ourselves?

burgled not birgled

I do wonder if comedians are starting to really notice the implications around comedy now.

It's been interesting to see the comments people make about the Fawlty Towers episode that's been controversial. Quite a few people apparently think the whole show is problematic, because they don't understand that the whole send up is of basil and other people with views like his. I regularly see now similar complaints all the time about comedy by people who don't seem to understand how comedy actually works. They think if a subject is treated in a show it means people think it is a frivolous subject. Even in dramas, retrograde opinions can only come from clearly evil characters.

I'd think that it would all make any comedy writer fed up.

What's a good response?

1. It makes very little sense to say that transwomen can't go into male bathrooms because it is too risky, but letting men come into women's does not create the same problem.

2. Mixed sex toilets and change rooms do actually seem to have more assaults and issues with peeping toms etc.

3. Women (and men) also have a right to privacy.

See Laurence Fox has joined the fray now.

“Symbolic of his struggle against reality”

That’s it. That sums this shit up.

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

There is a name for men who know about the sexual abuse of women and want to increase it.

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

What's a good response?

A man could sneak into woman's toilets and abuse one woman. But he could not currently come into the women's showers and force an entire locker room (including girls) to look at him naked with no comeback.

Also if there is no reason to guard against rapes (because they are to be expected anyway ) why should men try and hide from them in women's spaces? They're inevitable right, why do they get to hide from it?

@SciFiScream

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

What's a good response?

Do you think we should try to make it harder for them to assault women, or should we make it easier?

At least John seems to be being sheltered from most of the rape, death threats and explicit sexually insults heaped upon JKR. I wonder why?

I often get the "it happens anyway" response when I mention predators and sex-segregated spaces.

What's a good response?

What this person is saying is that rape is a natural consequence of being a woman.

I think that having women’s facilities for women only so they are not actually sexually assaulted is a low bar. Women have rights to privacy and dignity too.

OT but I love the Life of Brian. Would have been my dad's birthday this week. Might watch it and think of him. Monty Python was our "thing"

What really stinks is, if trans activist actually respected what it means to be a woman, tried to understand why we have concerns, and supported us in protecting our safety, then they'd have a squillion allies in us ready to to help them be treated fairly too.

Which just goes to show that this is all about men, their power, and their fury at women having a space they can't have. It isn't actually about trans people anymore. And this trans people who do support women in their fight are just as at threat as we are. I'm tipsy and upset after a hard day and I'm so upset about the world.

Its lovely to see people speaking out to support womens rights. Hate that any woman who speaks out is called a TERF and must hate trans people. So many feminists speak to break down the restrictive gender norms so both men and women can express their gender as they wish. But biological sex does exist and women brought up as women have a lived experience of oppression that has shaped them.

I hear you GeraltOfRivia

Can I just say, as a woman I’d be happy to compete against any transwoman at any sport - as long as that sport was equestrian or darts.

There's a reference on the twitter thread to a danish guy who changed his gender but made no other obvious changes and went on tv to discuss using women's changing rooms. Any one seen this before - is it satire? I can't believe it's anything else?