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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Superdrug person who menstruate

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Womanwhobleeds · 18/06/2020 16:36

Never posted on this board before, but nervous, but I’m furious.
Just bought some towels from Superdrug and the first line on the back of the packet is ‘A person who menstruates..’ I’m a woman ffs!
I shop in Superdrug all the time for their cruelty free stuff but no more!

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StayinginSummer · 18/06/2020 18:41

I don’t understand at all. Why change the wording when no women buying pads have an issue with being called a woman.

I’m completely confused and lost in this transgender intensity. Surely it is about respecting difference? Which is fine. I am a woman and that’s fine. You might be transgender and that’s fine. Why tell me as a woman what I am? None of your business to be honest.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 18/06/2020 18:41

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51676020

Maybe go educate yourself a bit, eh, paranoidorstoned?

JoysOfString · 18/06/2020 18:41

*Oh for fuck sake

SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN FEMALE BUT IDENTIFY AS MALE STILL GET PERIODS.

I cannot believe the transphobia on this website. Let's hope none of your children have gender dysmorphia. You'll change your tunes then.*

As PPs have said, shouting, trying to shame us and call us transphobic isn't an argument. It's just wanting to be on the right-on side without thinking it through.

There is a real, reasoned, important argument behind why women are upset about the category of "woman" being redefined and erased. If a transwoman is a woman, and anyone who wants to call themselves is a woman, then there is not longer any sensible category called "women". I'm a women because I'm an adult human female, not because I feel like a woman. If anyone can be a woman, then actual women can no longer have safe spaces away from men/penises - which includes not just toilets but changing rooms, prisons, refuges, hospital wards, hostel dorms, and on and on. And actual women can no longer win at all at most sports, because every sport will be dominated by trans women. A whole class of "people" will be shafted and won't even be able to complain about it because the law won't recognise the actual basis on which they are shafted - their female biology.

I am sick to death of being told I'm obsessed with genitals and what's between people's legs. No I'm not and that is such a pathetic straw man argument. I care about what's between people's legs when it has a bearing on their experiences, suffering and risk and if you are an actual woman, it does (and I include trans men in that).

If trans men (or any woman who declares she's a man) go in male spaces, who's most at risk? The women. If trans women (or any man who declares he's a woman) go in female spaces, who's most at risk? The women. Because of biology - they are generally smaller weaker and have vaginas that make them vulnerable to attack my male-bodied people.

And if my child is gender dysphoric I'll encourage them to express "gender" anyhow they like, because gender is just a range of cultural expression that's all open to anyone, and doesn't need to have anything to do with your sex. It's only mindbogglingly old-fashioned views that say liking skirts, make-up and stereotypes girliness = you must be a woman, and vice versa. And millions of gender-nonconforming people have been demonstrating that since before you were born.

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 18/06/2020 18:41

@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong um, with the greatest of respect I do have experience. Not personally, but I have a transgender sibling.

It's not helpful to tell me to fuck off when I'm trying to make you understand. God loves a trier!

ChubbyPigeon · 18/06/2020 18:42

@LST it clearly means a huge deal to a lot of women? As evident on this thread. Jk Rowling has literally risked her entire reputation to speak out? Or do you not give a shit about women?

If you take the time there are hundreds of threads in this section explaining why this actually does affect women. You might understand why this is a big deal to lots of women

dobbleby · 18/06/2020 18:42

How many transmen have been included in L'oréal campaigns?

Bekka94 · 18/06/2020 18:43

I find it personally degrading to women and girls to remove what we are off things such as sanitary products that monthly cycle aids us in the potential to produce and carry a baby for 9 month something which believe it or not biologically and scientifically a born male can not do so why should we be labelled as just people when we are in fact women!

Lynda07 · 18/06/2020 18:43

I agree with you, Woman. We are women and pleased to be women.

Thisismytimetoshine · 18/06/2020 18:43

[quote amijustparanoidorjuststoned]@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong um, with the greatest of respect I do have experience. Not personally, but I have a transgender sibling.

It's not helpful to tell me to fuck off when I'm trying to make you understand. God loves a trier![/quote]
How patronising can you get?! What do you think she doesn't understand?

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 18/06/2020 18:43

Oh and with regard to the news article you sent me.. that is a small part of the population. Of course people don't wake up one day and think "ahhh... today I am going to change gender!"

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 18/06/2020 18:43

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong um, with the greatest of respect I do have experience. Not personally, but I have a transgender sibling.

Did you give birth to her? If not, you know fuck all about raising a gender distressed child.

LST · 18/06/2020 18:43

@chubby I give a shit about bigger shit than the word person on a packet of blob rags

urkidding · 18/06/2020 18:44

I'm concerned that loads of people cannot afford pads around the world. I'm concerned that they are missing days of education. If you want to get worked up about something, why not get worked up about that?
I don't care whether someone calls me a person or a woman.

rwalker · 18/06/2020 18:44

It's the way off the world now still can't believe we have midget gems and clear fruit sweets

forsucksfake · 18/06/2020 18:44

I wish I could care so much about some words on the back of a period rag packet if I'm honest.

You are incredibly naive to think that this denial of biological fact is just about the back of sanitary towels. You really ought to care.

amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 18/06/2020 18:45

@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong have you read this? It might help :)

www.amazon.co.uk/Transgender-Hoops-Identify-as-Female/dp/1948901471/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&s=books&keywords=gender&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1592502256&sr=1-2

MrsFogi · 18/06/2020 18:45

I wonder if they have any products aimed at men and if the packaging on those refers to "men" or if they are carrying the "logic" through and referring to "people who ejaculate"?
And I bet that if they do incontinence products for women they will refer to women on those.

motorcyclenumptiness · 18/06/2020 18:45

I wish I could care so much about some words on the back of a period rag packet if I'm honest
I wish I could feel more casual about women being denied the language we need to defend the few and hard-won rights that exist to address the disadvantage and discrimination we suffer because of our biology

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 18/06/2020 18:45

It really isn’t a tiny proportion, not any more, not amongst natal females who develop gender dysphoria during puberty:

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/

DPotter · 18/06/2020 18:45

I'm not sure if I'm able to express myself as clearly as I want to. However the recent push to use terms such as 'person who menstruates' 'chest feeding' etc just seems like a very nasty, passive aggressive way of suggestions the word 'woman' is dirty and contemptible.

Unlike Swapname i do think the phrase is offensive, even if it is strictly speaking factual. I am a woman, I am female. I call myself a woman, a female. I suppose the phrase would be funny if it wasn't so offensive.

LittleCabbage · 18/06/2020 18:46

Just went to find Superdrug on twitter, and they have this tweet pinned. Obviously being heavily influenced at the moment....

Superdrug person who menstruate
Thisismytimetoshine · 18/06/2020 18:46

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

I didn’t realise that FTM trans persons still menstruate. Silly me

Um...... yes, female to men trans can still menstruate, why would you think they couldn't?

I would assume they'd stop their periods by hormonal means, if it was so distressing for them??
amijustparanoidorjuststoned · 18/06/2020 18:46

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Tonz · 18/06/2020 18:47

Can just see it now.. Durex condoms.. For people who ejaculate

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 18/06/2020 18:47

[quote amijustparanoidorjuststoned]@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong have you read this? It might help :)

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Yes I have and no it didn’t.

Have you read this? It might help;

www.amazon.co.uk/Inventing-Transgender-Children-Young-People/dp/1527536386?tag=mumsnetforu03-21