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Mermaids response to JK Rowling

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SapphosRock · 13/06/2020 08:44

Interesting to read the other side:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

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SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 15:16

But it is a lie. The man given the credit that belongs to Storme Delarverie was not trans, and referred to himself as a gay man.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 15:16

And Cis is an offensive term.

TheSingingKettle49 · 15/06/2020 15:19

@nicelegs

Yes, this part particularly annoyed me too

it also opened up the possibility of increased harassment of women in public restrooms who weren’t transgender but who didn’t dress or present in a ‘feminine’ way

I am the same height and weight as the average man, I’ve previously had very short hair and I used to wear men’s jeans and baggy t-shirts because it’s not always easy to get the right leg length, I have never ever been mistaken for a man.

I used to work with a woman who was 6ft5in and built like a rugby player, no one could have mistaken her for a man because women’s bodies are different to men’s. The way the hips move when we walk, the size and shape of the thighs, the more delicate appearance of the hands, fingers and jaw line, the smaller forehead, narrower waist and shoulders.

AND quite frankly I’d be happier to be mistaken for a man and say I’m a woman actually, than to be sexually assaulted by a predatory man in a public loo, if those are my only two options!

AvaMonroe · 15/06/2020 15:21

I recommend watching Pose, It is very informative and educational viewing. It is our responsibility to any children in our lives to not raise them to be bigots.

ArcheryAnnie · 15/06/2020 15:44

AvaMonroe you do realise Pose is fiction, right? It might have a lot of truth in it, and in the ball culture depicted, but it isn't a documentary.

You don't seem to be aware of gay history, or even of the reality of the current LGBT communities. There's a lot of gay, lesbian bi and trans people who would be baffled at your statements. It's not "bigotry" to tell the truth.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 15:48

It's very disheartening as a trans woman to read some of the replies from those that are cis.

Don't label women offensively against our will. We don't identify with "cis". Your posts using it may be deleted as it's considered an antagonistic term here.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 15:49

It was a "d" word - might have been "degenerates" - you get the idea.)

Pretty sure you had it right first time Annie.

Blackdoggotmytonguestill · 15/06/2020 15:51

Is it equally as important to raise female children to always give up their rights when a man tells them to? Should we raise our female children to have no boundaries? Should we teach them that biology is meaningless? Should we disgrace them for not wanting to undress in front of a man? Tell them they are little bigots if they don’t want a male doctor?
Should we whizz them off to the Tavy if the one with a penis likes to wear a tutu? Or the non-man picks up a train?
I’ll continue to teach mine that biology is real, that gender is big hairy bollocks, and that they should not be confined by their bodies. Your body is what you are given it. Love it! Be proud of who you are and accept it.
I’m reasonably lucky. My one child who is more vulnerable to the social contagion (disabled and already different) is also a sportsperson. She found the trans rhetoric very powerful until we had a conversation about her switching to compete with her male peers. Or one of them switching to compete with the women. ‘Be kind’ is less compelling when it really means ‘haha there goes your chances of the Olympics, love’
I’m not affirming and rushing off to get her on lifelong drugs. We talk in realities.
Trans people deserve much better healthcare and to live free of abuse. But women are allowed to have boundaries that exclude males. It is not bigoted to believe in biology and to use your lived experience as a woman to campaign to keep your necessary rights.
We know a good few trans people. Get on fabulously. Not raising any bigots. So take your faux concern for my children and my friends elsewhere.
The adherence of transpeople to gender ideology is the biggest hurdle. You don’t have to claim to be female just because you don’t fit the masculinity box. Widen that bandwidth. Smash the gender binary. You can’t break biology. On a hiding to nothing there.

AvaMonroe · 15/06/2020 15:52

Where did I claim it was a documentary? I just said it was educational and informative which it is. If I am to assume you are a cis woman, You have no right to speak for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community especially not trans people as you haven't walked the walk. For those saying Marsha was identifying as a gay male the P stood for "Pay it no mind" aka mind your own business as to how I identify, Keep hold of those straws though. Absolutely pathetic carry on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 15:55

aka mind your own business as to how I identify,

Perhaps you should apply that to women who don't want to be called "cis"?

Deltoids1 · 15/06/2020 15:55

Stop with the c*s word. It’s really offensive and erases our identity.

titchy · 15/06/2020 15:55

If I am to assume you are a cis woman, You have no right to speak for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community

Did you really mean that lesbians have no right to speak for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Riiiiight....

OvaHere · 15/06/2020 15:56

@AvaMonroe

Where did I claim it was a documentary? I just said it was educational and informative which it is. If I am to assume you are a cis woman, You have no right to speak for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community especially not trans people as you haven't walked the walk. For those saying Marsha was identifying as a gay male the P stood for "Pay it no mind" aka mind your own business as to how I identify, Keep hold of those straws though. Absolutely pathetic carry on.
Stop calling us cis - it's offensive.

Nobody born male has walked the walk of anyone born female. It works both ways.

ArcheryAnnie · 15/06/2020 15:57

If I am to assume you are a cis woman, You have no right to speak for anyone in the LGBTQ+ community especially not trans people as you haven't walked the walk.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

< deep breath >

Yeah, no. Not cis, not straight, not arrogant enough (unlike you) to assume that I'm the only person here who has a long, long history of equality activism. (Hint: I'm not the only one here.)

So yeah, you and your arrogant, offensive assumptions can do one.

And you really haven't "walked the walk" in SO MANY WAYS.

LastRoloIsMine · 15/06/2020 15:57

Ava

As a parent I strive to support my children, I teach them that their boundaries are important and also I do not lie to them. I teach them tolerance and critical thinking.

The trans ideology follows none of those teachings so I do not entertain it.

AvaMonroe · 15/06/2020 15:57

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SarahTancredi · 15/06/2020 15:57

Please stop using cis. It is highly offensive. We are not a subset of our own sex class. Just stop it.

And the riots were started by a butch black lesbian named storme. Marsha p Thompson said himself he turned up after the riots had started .

Check out fred Sargent in twitter. He was there. You can get a first hand account

ItsLateHumpty · 15/06/2020 15:58

Don’t misgender us @AvaMonroe

ArcheryAnnie · 15/06/2020 15:59

Ava you feel absolutely confident labelling others with terms they are very clear that don't apply to them.

Are you therefore happy with everyone here labelling you with terms that you claim don't apply to you?

OvaHere · 15/06/2020 15:59

You don't get to decide what is offensive to women.

If you consider misgendering offensive we consider cis offensive.

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Deltoids1 · 15/06/2020 16:01

Carry on being offensive and your posts will get zapped. Politeness goes both ways.

AvaMonroe · 15/06/2020 16:01

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