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Mermaids response to JK Rowling

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SapphosRock · 13/06/2020 08:44

Interesting to read the other side:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/06/2020 23:54

Steal

Twitter and I had a funny game. After TRAs got me banned for a bit, Twitter demanded I enter a phone no each time I logged on.

Previously I'd given Twitter my number permanently and got lots of silent calls in my 1st week. I phoned every number back too as I was curious and happy to speak to their parents, but they didn't answer or the number was out of service. Little weasels.

This time, I didn't want to give my number, but each time I logged on I'd give it. As soon as I was logged in I deleted my number, but each time it demanded it again.

In the end I closed my account. I now have a new one, but I just look and don't post.

I'd definitely get a cheap phone or £5 SIM. The TRAs must have racked up loads of them by now!

Blackdoggotmytonguestill · 15/06/2020 03:43

That’s exactly the sort of thing that concerns me. Eesh. I actually do want my account back and not have to start again (although it’s tempting to have a clear account that hasn’t been picked up by a terfblocker) but equally it’s hard to build contacts again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2020 09:19

I’ve often wondered about Stefonknee if he STILL identifies as a 6 year old girl, as in perpetually, or if he was 6 in December 2015 and now sees himself as a 10 year old girl. 🤔

Quite, it really is a puzzle for our age!

SarahTancredi · 15/06/2020 09:30

I cant believe they even have stefonkmee air time. If they genuinely believed they were a 6 yr old girl then why wasnt the "adoptive father" S was having a sexual relationship with arrested for child abuse ? So we all have to believe S is a 6 year old girl even though no one treats S as a 6 year old girl but we are the problem denying their identity?

monkeyonthetable · 15/06/2020 09:32

Men who prey on vulnerable women are a worldwide problem, but this has nothing whatever to do with trans people.

Until both sides recognise that this is not true and is at the heart of the problem, we won't find agreement. Of course male violence has a lot to do with transpeople. Because there are men who chuck on a frock to gain access to female safe spaces with abuse in mind. They are not trans but they claim to be and the unquestioning, wide acceptance of self-identification fails to make the crucial distinction between real trans people and manipulative power- abusers. It's abusive males in frocks that feminists are fighting, not the the majority of the trans community. If trans people acknowledged that women don't want men in drag to have access to safe spaces, to compete against them in sport, to shout them down in meetings, to up the women's serious crime statistics, to take roles in business that have only just begun to be demarcated as needing to be given to women to redress the imbalance that has existed forever, if all that can't be acknowledged and respected we just can't move forward.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/06/2020 11:10

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I’ve often wondered about Stefonknee if he STILL identifies as a 6 year old girl, as in perpetually, or if he was 6 in December 2015 and now sees himself as a 10 year old girl. 🤔

Quite, it really is a puzzle for our age!

I’m not googling...
Lordfrontpaw · 15/06/2020 11:12

@SarahTancredi

I cant believe they even have stefonkmee air time. If they genuinely believed they were a 6 yr old girl then why wasnt the "adoptive father" S was having a sexual relationship with arrested for child abuse ? So we all have to believe S is a 6 year old girl even though no one treats S as a 6 year old girl but we are the problem denying their identity?
And wouldn’t the ‘mum’ also be arrested for the me same (if rumours are to be believed). Wouldn’t their daughter be taken into care on account of this behaviour?
SarahTancredi · 15/06/2020 11:17

You would think.

So many times cases like this highlight the insanity and what inevitably will be the end result. The lengths they will go to and the utter ridiculousness they will endorse or pay along with in order to maintain women are hysterical and bigoted is mind boggling.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 15/06/2020 11:21

It was predictable that the stock response in relation to the risk posed to women in their protected spaces - 'that never happens' - would have been embedded in there somewhere. Interesting to note that it's been toned down somewhat to 'we're not aware that this has ever happened'.

That argument's already been emphatically debunked.

tabulahrasa · 15/06/2020 11:38

“Men who prey on vulnerable women are a worldwide problem, but this has nothing whatever to do with trans people”

See... but how doesn’t it?

My personal opinion on toilets is (I’m aware others feel differently) that I care not who’s using the same toilets as long as it’s because they want to use a toilet.

But, it needs to come without a loophole of letting sexual predators gain easier access.

Why is that aspect of it not something that bothers trans people... as they’d also be in those toilets?...

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 13:46

They want to give the impression that that there would be no males in female spaces, as they call transwomen female. Also that male transpeople are not a danger to women. When almost half of the transwomen in prison are sex offenders. (That is the ones we know of, the ones with a GRC may simply be recorded as women.)

ArcheryAnnie · 15/06/2020 13:52

LordFrontPaw I did google Stephonknee once, and got Stephonknee's pinterest page, which then was an absolutely horrifying mix of photos of real little girls in party dresses, and extreme fetish porn. On the same page. I just started to type "why Stephonknee hasn't been investigated I'll never know" but of course we do know why. There isn't a safeguarding issue that can't be ignored in favour of someone who covers themselves in gender identity teflon.

I still can't believe Stephonknee was thanked in the chamber of the Canadian parliament.

ArcheryAnnie · 15/06/2020 14:00

As for Mermaids - the tone of their statement is marginally better than they've put out before, but the statement itself is filled with nonsense. It parades the usual ignorance (ignoring Storme de Lavarie in favour of a gay man who by his own account wasn't there, misgendering that same gay man, etc etc), and then goes on to parade their usual DARVO at JKR and any other woman who dares to disobey them.

Remember, Mermaids is the organisation responsible for gay conversion therapy. This is the organisation whose PR person (not trans) brought a prosecution against a transwoman (Miranda Yardley) for "transphobia" (!!!!!!!!!) and lost. This is the organisation that has gone out of their way to slander and bully a ton of lesbians online. This is the organisation whose spokesperson Fox Fisher said the T should leave the LGBT because T people didn't want to associate with deviancy. (It was a "d" word - might have been "degenerates" - you get the idea.) Ad infinitum.

Mermaids are both individually and institutionally homophobic, and I don't see why either we or Jo Rowling should give a shit what they say.

minniebinnie · 15/06/2020 14:02

Remember, Mermaids is the organisation responsible for gay conversion therapy.

I wasn't aware of this,

minniebinnie · 15/06/2020 14:03

@ArcheryAnnie do any high profile gay people call them out?

Lordfrontpaw · 15/06/2020 14:28

They do - trans people do too. But they seem to be untouchable. Didn’t they brag about (police) friends in high (low) places?

whatcolourisyourwednesday · 15/06/2020 14:32

"As for Mermaids - the tone of their statement is marginally better than they've put out before, "

I am a lawyer in a specialist field. My opponents often write back to me trying to mimick my tone because they haven't understood my facts as presented to them. This reminds me of that.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 14:35

They seem fairly well connected with W Yorks Police, whether this is because they have been in and done “training” , or for another reason, O don’t know.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 14:35

I don’t know. Not O.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 14:37

If Emily Watson knew anything at all about trans issues and the conflict with women’s rights, she wouldn’t be telling people to don’t to Mermaids.

Lordfrontpaw · 15/06/2020 14:37

It’s all woke cookies for her. Have rly seen her twitter account - all BLM and trans rights. She is a professional ‘right on’ gal.

SirVixofVixHall · 15/06/2020 14:44

Donate to mermaids, not don’t. Sorry for typos, I am dealing with children at the same time.

Clymene · 15/06/2020 14:58

Emma Watson, not Emily! Emily is a wonderful actress and not a woke one trick pony

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 15/06/2020 15:08

From Mermaids' response – which, incidentally, appears to have been drafted by a pre-school child:

Surely it is clear, looking across LGBT+ organisations and taking a cursory glance at the response to your blog that the overwhelming majority of young people and LGB people support trans rights

JKR supports trans rights: completely and unequivocally.

To address the core of your point, trans rights do not come at the expense of women’s rights.

They do: that's the whole problem!

And, as you will have seen, it is transgender adults who are made to feel afraid in modern British society

Firstly, please don't tell me what I've seen: you don't know! Who else is made to feel afraid in modern British society? That would be .... women!

Your objection to trans rights

JKR was NOT objecting to trans rights.

‘The observations in this paper do not support the belief that most women are against transgender females using female bathrooms: we find that, in the sampled population, about 70% of cisgender female users post non-negative comments, and about a half of the negative comments by cisgender females are incidental

Cockcustard. I don't believe that. And FFS, do NOT refer to me as cisgender: 'woman' will do fine.

it also opened up the possibility of increased harassment of women in public restrooms who weren’t transgender but who didn’t dress or present in a ‘feminine’ way

I'm one of 'em. For the dignity and safety of ALL women, it's a price that I'm prepared to pay. I'm a minority. I don't expect my rights to trump those of the general female population.

Additionally, the study finds that reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare.

Oh come on. The majority of women wish to retain their privacy and dignity by excluding males from single sex spaces. A quick show of hands would demonstrate that.

Since 2010, If predators have used the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 to gain access to women’s spaces, we are not aware of it

You wouldn't be would ya? You've got your fingers in your ears, singing LA,LA,LA.

Men who prey on vulnerable women are a worldwide problem, but this has nothing whatever to do with trans people.

Well it does, doesn't it? Transwomen are, in fact, men.

Yes, there is the case of Karen White, a transgender woman who sexually assaulted two women while on remand at New Hall jail in Wakefield, but it cannot be ignored that this represented an inexcusable breakdown in prison safeguarding security and processes rather than a reason to class transgender women as a threat.

I'm fairly unlikely to be sent to prison. Who's safeguarding all the other single-sex spaces for me?

This research shows that trans women are no more a threat to women than other cisgender women.

More cockcustard. Transwomen offend at the same rate as the general male population. Why wouldn't they? They're ....well, male!

The Stonewall report ...

Don't even go there. Stonewall is a vile, misogynistic organisation.

I could go on but .... I feel that I've made my point Angry

AvaMonroe · 15/06/2020 15:13

It's very disheartening as a trans woman to read some of the replies from those that are cis. Claims that black trans women started the gay rights movement as lies is an absolute disgrace and I can only hope none of you have trans children for their sake.