Mermaids response to JK Rowling

[SapphosRock]

Interesting to read the other side:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

when it does the exact opposite cannot be an error.

A while ago, The Daily Show (before it got too woke) did a brilliant piece called the Parent Company Trap where they were arguing whether Fox News were evil or stupid. They wore Team Evil and Team Stupid t shirts, to piss take the Team Edward and Team Jacob shirts that were popular at the time. This reminds me of that.

If they know that the study shows trans males retain the same level of criminality but choose to try and hide it, then that is a level of malevolence worthy of those who commit the crimes themselves because they’re complicit, and that makes them Team Evil.

But if they actually didn’t read it and didn’t understand it, but still posted it anyway, that’s a level of stupidity beyond comprehension, I’m talking potatoes with mouths, and that makes them Team Stupid.

Cast your vote!

@Aesopfable

Storme was a fucking lesbian

The historical transing of people who are no longer alive is fucking disgraceful.

Were they even referring to her? I thought as a women (yes they recognise her sex) they have ignored her role in favour of a man - Marsha something - a drag queen who called himself a man. Who wasn’t there.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsha_P._Johnson#:~:text=Marsha%20P.%20Johnson%20(August%2024,the%20Stonewall%20uprising%20of%201969.

Yeah whenever anyone says a transwoman started the riots, j assume they're talking about Marsha P, not Storme.

Either way they're wrong.

Mermaids actually say there's no evidence of transgirls causing a problem? As well as Dolatowski as mentioned by a PP, I remember a storm a couple of years ago where a transgirl was masturbating in the female changing room while girls were getting changed. Didn't a Labour MP (I'm thinking Creasy) minimise it as between peers or something?

6. While you offer no evidence to back up your suggestion that most women oppose changes around trans access to women’s toilets, we can offer evidence to the contrary.

Whilst I don’t know of any research out there, I’m pretty sure if should a picture of Karen White to the general population as asked them if they were comfortable with their daughter toileting/changing next to White, there would be a consensus against it.

To add to OPs point in italics (sorry I can’t scroll to name check)

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16328719.poll-finds-people-oppose-self-declared-gender-by-3-to-1/

This is from a Oink News poll.

ONLY one person in five supports transgender people being legally allowed to self-declare their new gender without the approval of a doctor.

A poll for PinkNews found only 18 per cent backed the idea, with three times as many, 58 per cent, saying a medical opinion ought to be involved, and the rest undecided.

The YouGov poll of 1688 people was conducted UK-wide in anticipation of the UK government consulting on changes to the 2004 Gender Recognition Act.

So, even if you want to go down the route that a man is a woman in the eyes of the law, that’s only is the male has a GRC. In the UK only approx. 5000 people in total have a GRC (male and female). (And even with a GRC exclusions can still be applied if proportionate).

I can only assume they have other evidence. And I want receipts.

Sorry can now confirm I was adding to @Deltoids1 point.

Didn't a Labour MP (I'm thinking Creasy) minimise it as between peers or something?

Stella Creasey's view is that you put "trans girls" first and then get counselling for any girls who are abused:

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/975440621765873664

Unfortunately a key part of the conversation has been removed by twitter by banning a woman with non-compliant views.

Damn, should have been Creasy.

throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms” is disingenuous…as well as smelly. While you offer no evidence to back up your suggestion that most women oppose changes around trans access to women’s toilets, we can offer evidence to the contrary

One point to mermaids - they do at least use the accurate term 'toilet'. We don't have public bathrooms in the UK.

However, deduct 50 points for claiming that JKR was talking about trans access to women's toilets when she was talking about men's access to women's toilets and changing rooms.

M&S have already agreed any man can use the bra fitting changing rooms, because it is necessary to be fully inclusive.

Mermaids are trying to claim that females are routinely placed in the male estate.

This is blatantly a lie.

Imagine making shit up to try and justify getting violent male sex offenders place in women's prisons.

twitter.com/MsHelenWatts/status/1271750279973818368?s=20

The thing is, JKR's statement truly was based on research and building up knowledge. Mermaids have a difficult relationship with the truth

Mermaids are trying to claim that females are routinely placed in the male estate.

Women in UK prisons breakdown. It’s awful.

www.womeninprison.org.uk/research/key-facts.php

Read all of it but in answer to ‘females in male estates’

Women’s Prisons

Women are held in 12 prisons in England.

• There are no women’s prisons in Wales.
• There is one women’s prison in Scotland, with some women also held in units within men’s prisons across the country.
• In Northern Ireland women are held in a unit within a male Young Offenders Institution.

But the stats are dire for incarcerated women generally.

Women make up around 5% of the overall prison population in the UK.
Most women entering prison to serve a sentence (80%) have committed a non-violent offence.
Despite its abolition in 2012, many women are still serving an IPP sentence, despite having passed their tariff expiry date.
48% of women have committed an offence in order to support the drug use of someone else.
46% of women in prison report having attempted suicide at some point in their lifetime. This is twice the rate of men (21%) and more than seven times higher than the general population.
The criminal justice system disproportionately impacts women who Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME);
BAME women comprise 11.9% of the women’s general population in England and Wales, but 20% of the women’s prison population.
Seven in 10 (70%!) women in prison reported that they had been a victim of domestic violence.
53% of women in prison report having experienced emotional, physical or sexual abuse during childhood.
31% women in prison have spent time in local authority care as a child.

And none of this will get better if males as IDing as transwomen are routinely placed in female estates.

Trying to prove this however will be impossible as the stats will count transwomen as female.

Mermaids actually say there's no evidence of transgirls causing a problem? As well as Dolatowski as mentioned by a PP...

And this thread twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1169574515355074560

“Should trans woman Zelda Cross, who asked this question before uploading to the internet an 8 minute video of them masturbating in the women’s toilets, be allowed to use women’s toilets?“

“Should trans woman Aiyona Hunt, who has boasted about attacking women in women’s toilets, be allowed to use women’s toilets?“

“Should trans woman Jessica Yaniv, who has a track record of taking selfies in which other people are photographed, be allowed to use the women’s toilets?“
(my edit to add - let’s not talk about their tampon / young girl fetish)

“Should convicted paedophile Laverne Waskahat, who now identifies as a woman, be allowed to use the women’s toilets even though the police have said they’re likely to use public women's toilets to abuse girls?“

“Should Katie Dolatowski, who is sexually attracted to girls, and discovered that access to them is granted if you identify as a woman, and then sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a supermarket’s women’s toilet, be allowed to use the women’s toilets?”

Etc. ect. ect.

Mermaids lie, lie and lie again knowingly, i am sure it is a tactic, as they know some or all of it will be believed.

The Mermaids letter is disingenuous, they know fine well she wasn’t implying that trans people are potentially abusers, she was saying that if all a predatory man has to do to enter a female prison, refuge, changing room or toilet is say ‘I identify as a woman’ then people will no longer feel empowered to ask them to leave, as they can do under the current regulations, staff will not want to be accused of transphobia, companies will not want to be taken to court and women will not use those facilities therefore removing them from fully participating in public life.

They are all over the place re: prisons.

They say:

Abusive women are usually placed within male prisons due to the increased security measures in place.

Women aren't randomly placed with male prisoners. Some male prisons have female units.

Wow @SapphosRock thanks for starting this thread. It really has been good to read the ‘other side’ and see just how much evidence there is against it.

It’s reconfirmed to me why I centre girls and women (female kind).

Thanks

ItsLateHumpty

Is it made clear that those are biological women, and not 'legal' women?

If transwomen don't retain male pattern violence, how come approximately half of the 120 transwomen in prison are sex offenders?

Yes thanks Sapphos. 👍

So many lies to dismantle, so little time.

@merrymouse

They are all over the place re: prisons.

They say:

Abusive women are usually placed within male prisons due to the increased security measures in place.

Women aren't randomly placed with male prisoners. Some male prisons have female units.

Yes this is the difference. They are trying to imply that it's normal for prisoners of opposite sexes to be in mixed spaces. This just isn't true.

Women prisoners do not get put into shared spaces with men unless that man claims he is not a man.

It's ludicrous.

I had to stop at ‘Jake Edwards’. But of course, no-one cares about my triggered feelings. After all, I’m the lowest of the low. I have two xx chromosomes, but I don’t even menstruate anymore! How very dare I wander in with an opinion, god forbid! According to the latest groupthink manifesto, as a woman who no longer menstruates, (although I did previously every month for 30 years solid), I don’t have any right or relevance whatsoever to fight this fight.

No problem @ItsLateHumpty i found it really useful too.

Susie Green not only said that of course she took her then son to the doctor because he wanted to play with dolls, she continued to say in a TEDTalk. She genuinely believed and presumably still does, that there is something wrong with a boy playing with dolls. All his dolls were removed.

I think I’m going for Team Evil. No one can be that stupid, to think their lies wouldn’t be seen through.

It’s not disingenuous, not sly, not cheeky. It’s evil. They are complicit in creating loopholes that risk the safety of women and girls, while advocating for the sterilisation of children with hormone treatment.

@Datun

Susie Green not only said that of course she took her then son to the doctor because he wanted to play with dolls, she continued to say in a TEDTalk. She genuinely believed and presumably still does, that there is something wrong with a boy playing with dolls. All his dolls were removed.

Jesus we played with action man... we were very anti Barbie/Sindy in our house. We had the helicopter and everything!