Emma Watson no longer believes in women

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Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

@DaiJai1066

Sorry if I am being naive and late to the game but can somebody please explain this to me. Are you saying that men are claiming to be trans to enter areas for women only for their own kicks?Or are you saying that all trans women and men should be segregated and use different changing rooms, toilets etc. I’m just trying to understand the whole picture.

Are you saying that men are claiming to be trans to enter areas for women only for their own kicks?

This is a tricky question to answer. The short answer is yes, there are cases in which this appears to be happening. However, we are told that transwomen are women if they say they are - so really these men are as much transwomen as any other transwoman.

The problem is that we're called transphobic if we say that they are men claiming to be trans yet we're also called transphobic if we say they are transwomen.

WRT spaces - my personal take is to keep single sex spaces and disabled spaces (ideally increase those) but to add another space which would be entirely unisex. This would not just be for trans people, but would also accommodate people who identify as non-binary, fathers with daughters, mothers with sons and all those people who say they don't care who they are sharing a toilet with.

She's smug as a bug in a rug.

And she is not a good actor.

I'm a lurker and regular reader on this topic, and also on twitter, but I'm compelled to post this morning about how absolutely exasperated I am with this. The JK Rowling piece was well thought out and reasoned and having read the arguments on both 'sides' I still think she's right.

@merrymouse thank you for your reply. So again in my naivety what is the solution? How do we respect everyone’s rights to feel safe in society? Or is this the debate? That this can’t be done and that women who need a safe space no longer have one? Are there any statistics to show evidence of shops and leisure facilities changing the safe spaces to mixed?

Ha! Well I have read the essay and it is just so far beyond something that DR or EW could have written. Clearly, and I say this as an Oxbridge graduate, an Oxford education doesn't necessary indicate that you have much of a gift for critical thinking!!

@Lordfrontpaw

And she is not a good actor.

Relevance?

How can Emma Watson be an ambassador for UN Women?

Trans people are who they say they are

But - if a woman says she’s an -adult human female- she’s an exclusionary nasty piece of work and is inundated with condemnation, rape and death threats

Funny that.

I’m an astronaut and have written a very stern letter to NASA about their exclusionary policies

How can Emma Watson be an ambassador for UN Women?

Easy - UnWoman think women are ‘formless’

Formless? As in anyone can be one? Ah, I see....

Am so annoyed. For some reason I can’t get on Twitter - my screen keeps freezing - but only for Twitter. Jks piece was perfect. No reasonable, or even half reasonable person can say any of it is hateful. The others, those with no insight, no understanding, unable to see implications are just weak, cowardly sloganisers.
I detest this type of lazy, weak, go with the orthodoxy “thinking”. I’ve yet to see one person actually pick any one eg of what JK has said and formed a coherent argument against it. Hypocrites too. Eddie Redmayne has two children. A boy and a girl. When they were born, they announced the sex each time. If there is no biological sex, if it’s all about gender identity, how do they know? From the genitals? How desperately transphobic is that? They ALL live their lives acknowledging biological sex, then when asked whether they think its false, the unicorns and rainbows come prancing in.

DaiJai, I agree with DickKerr's solution - a third space. This is already the solution used in many leisure centres because it enables families to change together. Some women don't like family changing rooms because statistically women are more likely to be assaulted in a mixed sex space:

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

However, I think they are a reasonable compromise if single sex areas are also available.

Are there any statistics to show evidence of shops and leisure facilities changing the safe spaces to mixed?

Schools are already taking away single sex toilet facilities because they have been told that they are transphobic.

www.tes.com/news/mixed-gender-toilets-have-negative-impact-girls

This is an example of men complaining because they were told not to use a changing room where bras were being fitted.

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18302422.couples-shock-treatment-glasgow-m-s-store-changing-room/

“I could have been a non-binary or trans person, they don’t know that.”

Marks and Spencer apologised and claimed:

“The fitting rooms are located within our womenswear and menswear departments and therefore are mainly used by customers of that gender, however, as an inclusive retailer and in line with most other retailers, we allow customers the choice of fitting room in respect of how they identify themselves.”

During a bra fitting a bra fitter will enter and leave the cubicle while the woman is in a state of undress.

These men did not even claim to identify as women, but M&S still apologised.

So again in my naivety what is the solution? How do we respect everyone’s rights to feel safe in society?

TBH, at this point I’m not sure why it’s up to women to provide the solutions?

Problem: Transwomen claim to be unsafe sharing spaces with men because of male violence. Where that’s the case, that’s awful. I wish them every success in resolving that, whether that’s by campaigning for their own spaces or by educating men. Sincerely, good luck to them with that.

Obviously they can’t expect to take women’s spaces, because we have our own needs for some spaces free from all males (whether identifying as masculine, feminine or neither) so they need to come up with a different solution that doesn’t increase the risk of adverse impact on women and girls, and stop making it our problem to solve.

I found it odd that she was releasing speeches about women's rights and feminism and then took the role of Belle who gets locked up and gaslit by some weird narcissist in a castle

Eddie Redmayne has two children. A boy and a girl. When they were born, they announced the sex each time

He also seems to have conveniently forgotten who gave birth.

they need to come up with a different solution that doesn’t increase the risk of adverse impact on women and girls, and stop making it our problem to solve.

The current proposed solution - allow all men into female spaces - doesn't address the problem they claim to be trying to solve. All it does is affirm the concept of gender identity.

I did know that EW was a HP actress, and kept seeing her name as a feminist spokesperson. I wondered what qualified her -- she's so young. Not that youth disqualifies anyone. It's what has she bloody done to make her a spokeswoman for women?

Rather ironically I think part of it is that the character of Hermione has long been seen as a feminist role model for young girls.

But people forget that Hermione is a creation of JKR not EW!

On the other hand Emma Watson works in an industry where it is very difficult to work while pregnant, female roles are limited and women are expected to quietly disappear once they hit 40.

Watson has 10 years in which she will start to find out what happens to women in Hollywood. I wonder how she will feel about the sexist agism in 15 years. Or if she has children in the interim.

I find it interesting she seems different to try and make her sexuality status look cool and trendy by doing this:

Watson is single, which she described in 2019 with the self-coined phrase "self-partnered".

I almost feel this is a statement of saying that she is trying to avoid sexual harassment and declaring she doesn't want child (at least anytime soon). Why do this? Would a man? We know they wouldn't. We know they wouldn't feel the need to. It's quite clear she has prioritised her career over relationships and is making a point of it.

Will she, in 15 years, be the one leading the charge about how women in Hollywood over a certain age are treated with contempt? Or will she be retired from public life having started her own family and having no need to ever work again? Or hire a surrogate to save her body or because her body is past its timeframe to reproduce? Or whether she will simply be happy to fade into irrelevance and oblivion? (I think we know which is the least likely option here)

Or just double down and carry on with her second career as a politician, following her own self interest rather than actually representing the needs of those she claims to represent?

The fact she always has this option is significant, and has a bearing on her views and what she is tweeting now. She can always change direction and come out the other side looking 'heroic' in someway. Unlike mere ordinary women all over the world.

people forget that Hermione is a creation of JKR not EW

Yep.

Emma Watson not doubt thinks she would have been a Suffragette, when in fact she would have been holding them down as they had the tube forced up their nose.

@merrymouse

they need to come up with a different solution that doesn’t increase the risk of adverse impact on women and girls, and stop making it our problem to solve.

The current proposed solution - allow all men into female spaces - doesn't address the problem they claim to be trying to solve. All it does is affirm the concept of gender identity.

Quite. Hence my use of “claim” and “where that happens” because there is so much evidence that for a sizeable vocal cohort, it’s about validation not personal safety.

(O/T but I finally found the quote button!)

As a mother of an Emma who chose the name because of strong females with the name all I can say is thank fuck for baroness Emma Nicholson and dr Emma Hilton.

Emma Watson has been woke for ages so no surprise. I think the younger generation are a lost cause.

I have watched the Emma Watson and Paris Lees interview. Yes, Paris does manage to make it about herself and trans rights. But also what struck me when Emma was talking about it was that she was really struggling for an actual argument as to why males should be allowed in female spaces. She was getting very emotional, couldn't find her words and kept saying 'it's just..... How can anyone not include people..... Oh my goodness' but nothing actually concrete. Its quite a strange watch that interview actually.

She is obviously a highly intelligent woman, but on this it does seem that she is so open minded that her brains have fallen out.

I'm still also reeling that she didn't say anything at all about the rape and death threats that have been directed at JKR. I guess anything other than full capitulation is just unacceptable, and a woman being threatened with rape is a small price to pay if you get adoration and validation from men. Interestingly she does still follow JKR on Twitter which I'm sure the TRAs will get angry about pretty soon.

I really hope Rupert doesn't get involved - I can imagine him at home being like 'fuck no, I'm not saying anything!'

I’m sorely tempted to start a petition to have Emma Watson removed from her post as a UN Women’s Ambassador.

Please do.