Emma Watson no longer believes in women

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Emma Watson has now tweeted in support of trans activists. I can't believe it.

But isn't there a risk they'll then give it to some transwoman?

How do we respect everyone’s rights to feel safe in society?

Well - one way would be to focus on stopping male violence - which is the problem.

If there wasn't male violence there wouldn't be a problem would there. And yet somehow this doesn't seem to be a focus of discussion...

So again in my naivety what is the solution? How do we respect everyone’s rights to feel safe in society

We all have the right to feel safe in society but I as a female, do not, in certain situations, places, times of day. I restrict my life, on an unconscious level, to mitigate some of the dangers posed by male violence. Single sex spaces are part of that mitigation. For us all to feel truly safe, violent men would need to be eradicated. So why don't we start there instead of taking away half the populations' safe(r) space. To open up single sex spaces to makes, makes them mixed sex and no safer for anyone. That sounds like an act of spite.

It absolutely is an act of spite.

Misogyny, male supremacy, unquestionably a predatory agenda.

UN Women’s Ambassador.

I don't think you will have much luck.

twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1235977079839166464

"Trans women are women at the end of the day. Every woman is a woman. Women are multifaceted, intergenerational, international. They are limitless, formless ... women are the world.”

They haven't the foggiest idea what a woman is.

Look outside - could be mist, could be a woman. Impossible to tell.

If only somebody had told Malala to use her female superpower and transform into a formless being while she was on that bus she could have saved herself so much trouble.

I’m sorely tempted to start a petition to have Emma Watson removed from her post as a UN Women’s Ambassador.

At least she's an actual woman. Better than when Wonder Woman was ambassador. That was a weird decision.

• mogtheexcellent As a mother of an Emma who chose the name because of strong females with the name all I can say is thank fuck for baroness Emma Nicholson and dr Emma Hilton.*

Plenty of other Em’s/Emma’s to be inspired by too:

Emma of Normandy
Emmeline Pankhurst

Please look up Emmy Noether- her reasoning is the foundation of modern science.
Einstein owes much to her and he acknowledge this.

Emma Watson believes in Emma Watson's career.

She will ally herself with whoever is more likely to promote that.

Yes, whilst grandly lecturing the rest of us about lofty principles.

I live by my principles every single day, Emma. What have you done in the real world?

"Trans women are women at the end of the day. Every woman is a woman. Women are multifaceted, intergenerational, international. They are limitless, formless ... women are the world.”

What. The. Fuck?

I literally do wonder if whoever wrote that was actually on glue at the time? Women are formless? Yes, tell that to the girls who can't go to school because they have a vagina! I think they know plenty about their fucking 'form'. Jesus Christ on a bike.

And also... 'At the end of the day'? Really?!

Look into girl guides and the NSPCC (for a start) if you really want to be gobsmacked...

@merrymouse

UN Women’s Ambassador.

I don't think you will have much luck.

twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1235977079839166464

"Trans women are women at the end of the day. Every woman is a woman. Women are multifaceted, intergenerational, international. They are limitless, formless ... women are the world.”

They haven't the foggiest idea what a woman is.

Look outside - could be mist, could be a woman. Impossible to tell.

If only somebody had told Malala to use her female superpower and transform into a formless being while she was on that bus she could have saved herself so much trouble.

When someone posted about “UNWomen” upthread I thought it was a new group set up to dismantle the word “women” and redefine it to include, well, everyone who wants to be included.

And the fact that I wasn’t surprised that this could happen tells me all I need to know about where we’re at with this whole shitshow.

@FFSFFSFFS

How do we respect everyone’s rights to feel safe in society?

Well - one way would be to focus on stopping male violence - which is the problem.

If there wasn't male violence there wouldn't be a problem would there. And yet somehow this doesn't seem to be a focus of discussion...

YES.

This is the point. Who stands to gain from deflecting attention from male violence and towards trans people? MEN MEN MEN MEN MEN.

All of these issues stop when society refuses to tolerate male violence.

Lots of really good points on this thread.

Cloudy - I was you a few years ago. But then I "woke up". Here are some examples:

• I realised that the aggressive, violent, abusive stuff was always from those "supporting" trans rights and it is always aimed at those who were asking about how to protect women's rights. I've yet to see someone who doesn't agree with TWAW throw the violent, sexualised, aggressive language (or actions) at transactivists (see current abuse being received by JKR. I have not seen this type of abuse thrown at EW or DR).

• I realised that it's not just about single spaces. It's about lots of places where women are disadvantaged if suddenly trans woman (or self ID'd women) are included. Women/Girls sport. Women's lists (look it up - the number of self ID as women - ie men - who win "women of the year" or who are appointed to roles that are designated for women etc is really quite disturbing. I have no audited stats to prove this but I am confident that the percentage of TW who are in these roles is significantly higher as a percentage than the number of TW there are vs natal women)

• Women have to completely change and adapt everything we know and think about ourselves, and society is being asked to completely change and adapt processes designed for us, because of TW. For example, doctors surgeries are being told that they are discriminating when registration firms ask if you're male or female. Even though, of all places, this BIOLOGICAL reality is essential for medical care. At its simplest, being male or female impacts whether you are routinely offered checks for cervical vs prostrate cancer. The change being demanded by trans activists would, at best, make the process of ensuring correct biological medical care is received is more complicated. At worst, women would drop through the cracks an no longer receive this care routinely because the forms would not capture the right information.

• I have been shocked at how lesbians are being attacked. A lesbian who says she does not want to have sex with a trans women because that trans women has a penis find herself the target of astonishing abuse. In itself, this is an issue for me. But then I take it a step further because the misogyny becomes even more clear when you realise that we don't see heterosexual men who say they wouldn't want to have sex with a woman who has a penis receiving the same abuse. Why is that? What the actual fuck is going on here?

• I read about young children being given puberty blockers and surgery which has massive long term effects and it is astonishing to me. In my day, young women who wanted breast reduction surgery for massive breasts were told they had to be at least 18, preferably older, before it was doable as it was considered harmful to do this kind of thing while a girl was still growing. On what planet can we think it's okay to make this level of medical intervention for a condition which, by any definition, is ultimately a mental health one?

• The relaxing of rules about what is acceptable in schools is just weird. I'd like to think that my 9 year old is a nice boy, respectful etc. But he has started noticing changes in his own body and in girls. For both his protection and the girls, he needs to start being separated from the girls when using bathrooms/changing etc. I see schools who are saying this is not needed and I just don't get it.

I'm sorry, this is long. But I just wanted to show all the multiple ways that TWAW just brings all kinds of difficulties that people want to ignore and shouldn't. It's not about being anti-trans. It's about saying that we have to consider whether their right to being safe and comfortable should be done in such a way that it removes the same right for others.

00:59OldCrone

from every study I can find, the majority of trans women are attracted to men

Going back a bit in the thread, @CloudyVanilla, but I feel I should point out to you that you seem to have been misled about this particular point.

The vast majority of men who transition late in life are heterosexual, and they have often been married to women and fathered children

I wanted to add to this. Even if were true that most transwomen are attracted to men, what difference does that make? They're still men.
By that logic, it would be fine to allow gay men into women only spaces. After all, they aren't attracted to women either.

But its really not ok. (And gay men are not asking for this)
Ask yourself why.

"She is obviously a highly intelligent woman"

Define intelligence? If you are unable to or even unwilling to critically think, you're not intelligent in my book.

Ahe posted a bunch about the black curriculum and educating herself. She can see her white privilege, but not her wealth privilege - she will never be in a jail with a Karen White, she is no sportswoman so will never lose to a male, she will never go into a bathroom and have a man in a dress there creeping on her, she will never lie in hospital ward and share that with a male.

Finally, "why wouldn't you include", I'm sorry what? Yes Emma, why wouldn't you? Why don't you start including the homeless in your home, the poor in your salary? Inclusive is nothing more than a buzzword used to erode boundaries.

At the end of the day, it gets dark. When nobody can see anything, and we're all very tired and need a good night's sleep, at that stage, transwomen are women.

At all other times, when not over tired and there is enough daylight to see clearly, TWAM. Thanks, UN!

You can be intelligent.

But you can also be selfish and intelligent. Blinkered and intelligent. Insecure and intelligent. Self righteous and intelligent. Blinded by ideology and intelligent. Lazy and intelligent.

Being intelligent does not stop people from being immune from joining cults and lacking in self awareness.

Intelligence is a measure of IQ. It is not a measure of how you employ that IQ to the best of your ability and your ability to analysis information in an unbiased manner.

Excellent post red toothbrush and perfectly explains the difficulty in squaring these views lacking in any reasoned analysis in intelligent people.

I haven't had time to read all the comments as I'm in the middle of cleaning the bloody house, but I'm still just fuming.

Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe and Eddy Redmayne are the WORST people. All the other celebs wanging on about TWAW etc are stomach churning enough.

But these three KNOW her. They took jobs based on her work. In the two HP ones, they had their entire careers made by her. They are rich and famous because of her. They will have had meetings, dinners, parties and god knows what with her.

And they dump on her publicly. Especially EW, who did it after JK informed us all she is a victim of DV. Supposed feminist handwringy Emma Watson.

They hypocrisy, cruelty and just bloody bad manners is beyond belief.

I shouldn't expect much from actors as they are usually, with a few exceptions, vain and self regarding individuals. But this is off the scale.

And breathe. Will go back to scrubbing the lav.

Wondering if Emma is beginning to wonder about TWAW as she didn’t actually come out and say it this time - it was a much more bland ‘are what they say they are’ - which trans people will take to mean TWAW so she will not anger them but there’s just a bit of wiggle room for those that think we’ll if they say they are a transwoman that’s what they are too.

It’s not a big step I’ll grant you. More a standing on the spot. But with everyone else so keen to spell out TWAW, I think it’s great that she hasn’t immediately said that. And her second tweet is almost exactly what JKR said.

Not slightly surprised at this. I am slightly surprised though, that not one of these celebs has spoken about the horrific abuse JK Rowling is getting. Emma wuld, in any othe rcase, surely have ben all over that, condemning those sending death threats and telling her to choke on their ladydicks?

I mean, its very possible to say 'I completely disagree with her, but ther misogynistic (no other word for it, when you read it) abuse she is currently recieving over this is disgusting and needs to stop.

Note to self: never read trans threads. There are so many mean people in here

'mean' being standing up for female needs and rights.