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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Body Shop has fallen

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Cismyfatarse1 · 10/06/2020 19:05

Just seen this on Twitter.

For those who like their Ginger Shampoo, can I suggest MooGoo.

Also, Aveeno is a good replacement for their Shea butter.

Other thoughts welcome. Feel free to suggest other ideas.

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CheerfuIPotato · 10/06/2020 21:39

😂😂😂😂😂 @ thé idea that knowing sex is real is small minded 😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly it’s hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂

Willow2017 · 10/06/2020 21:39

Phew, I thought the Body Shop had gone into administration or something, not that they were standing up for human rights.
I like their products

Since when was a large company who employs huge numbers of women, whose customer base is mainly women, and who claim to be anti abuse of women, attacking a single woman online who has survived domestic abuse and poverty and is receiving death threats been 'standing up for human rights'?

nancyrosoe · 10/06/2020 21:41

@StealthNinjaMum

FFS. I am sick of these bloody companies throwing their main customer base under a bus.

Dear Body Shop, I will not be buying from you again.

The Body Shop is owned by Natura & Co, which also owns Avon and Aesop.
MrsFogi · 10/06/2020 21:41

In case anyone would like to let him know that they will not be spending any money in The Body Shop again the CEO can be contacted here: [email protected]

Jkslays · 10/06/2020 21:42

Julie Bindel Grin

The Body Shop has fallen
PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock · 10/06/2020 21:42

@Justanotherlurker

Let us not pretend there was any way of a prominent woman who dared to say anything remotely gender critical avoiding any of this, though. The response still would've been the same if she'd never said anything to anyone before now.

You are trying to use the same progressive IDPOL stack that has made JK being hoist by her own pertard through, the inevitable purity spiral/left eating itself is as old as time.

The minute people started using those books as comparison to real world politics should have been a warning, the fact she interjected herself into this twitter sphere style politics and retconned a lot of her books to appeal to the crowd and not just say they are kids books considering she has 'fuck you money' and ironically not really like locally is a bad play not only on her part but those who make political points via HP memes.

The fact that you seem to think it is because she is a successful woman and not step back is why this will not end, your part of the problem.

Maybe not even particularly successful, just prominent. But to be clear here, are you actually arguing that her comments wouldn't have attracted any of this attention if she hadn't ever previously commented, that this sort of nonsense is reserved for left wing women? Because if so, there's a few right wing GC women who'd no doubt be delighted to share their experiences with you.
Fairenuff · 10/06/2020 21:42

If you don't see sex you can't see sexism.

ibisred · 10/06/2020 21:43

Thanks for being this to my attention. Not buying from them again

Shinesweetfreedom · 10/06/2020 21:43

I thought when I read the headline it meant they have gone out of business.....er I guess they just have now

Ninkanink · 10/06/2020 21:43

Yes because ‘human rights’ are all about male rights, apparently...I must have missed that memo.

It is not phobic to state biological fact.

It is not phobic to protect women’s and girls’ spaces and safeguard their legal rights and protections.

It is not phobic to state that only women and girls menstruate, and that men and boys do not. It is biological fact.

And to whoever asked, JK talks about sex not gender because the two are not the same thing.

Seasidetrains · 10/06/2020 21:45

'sex is real' just doesn't seem to mean much to me. how do you decide what sex is defined by? who's a woman? is it people who have a womb? my grandmother doesn't. is it women who have periods? my daughter and my mum don't. is it people with breasts? i am flat chested, do i count? etc. i just hate the thought that woman hood is something to be policed and decided rather than an opportunity for experssion.

i have kids of both genders and watching them grow and experiment with identities has been such an eye-opener. i feel really strongly that society should outgrow this idea of male/female as a binary. i definitely think that there are masculine and feminine energies but i don't think that they necessarily correspond to body parts, and i think that society would be a lot happier if people were allowed to decide how much of each energy they identify with.

Seasidetrains · 10/06/2020 21:46

'gender (not sure why rowling doesn't want to use that word)

Probably because she was talking about sex? So why would she use a word that isn't what she's talking about?

What a very odd comment.'

seems very odd to me to define people entirely by their body parts, but each to their own...

214 · 10/06/2020 21:46

I'm getting myself in knots here trying not to offend anyone and any section of society. I will say that if anyone of any gender identified at birth, or self-identified at any other time, wants to fight for the night to menstruate, I would just caution them to be mindful of what they wish for.

MonsteraCheeseplant · 10/06/2020 21:47

Katy, you're full of shit. Show us where JKR has bullied trans people? You'll have NOTHING. But she has been treated MUCH worse.

BlackForestCake · 10/06/2020 21:47

You have kids? How did you know between you and your partner which one of you was going to get pregnant?

Pluckedpencil · 10/06/2020 21:48

They've clearly left someone very junior and immature in charge of social media. Marketing 101 is to have cogent and coherent company principles, messages and vision, and never deviate from those. Positive posts, interesting facts etc. This is a snide bullying attempt. It baffles me how many hours big business puts into printed media, and then they just vomit all over their Twitter page.

Pinkyyy · 10/06/2020 21:48

I'm not usually one to 'boycott' brands, but this has done it for me. I won't be buying from them anymore.

It's a shame because they have some amazing skincare products. I'd gone off them anyway to be honest because they seem to have become an MLM.

NotTheOnlyPomInTheVillage · 10/06/2020 21:50

Can anyone recommend something to brighten dull skin?

Waratah Flower Brightening Cream.

FantaOra · 10/06/2020 21:50

Seasidetrains
not sure why people need to police identities so much. gender is more fluid than society has admitted up until this point. that's changing and i'm really glad about it.

You are making the age old mistake of assuming the current generation invents everything and understands everything better than people before them.

Saying "this point" really just directs us to your own beliefs that you have now in this moment, and that are just floating there oblivious to the history of the liberation of women. Your entire post is cliche after cliche of US uni gender studies dogma, likely written and repeated endlessly by the old man professor of women's studies Smile the Body shop are promoting in their patronising mansplaining tweet. That you are so soaked in this men's rights movement language and are here to berate women for the men is sad enough, but the fact that you can't see it is sadder.

Seasidetrains · 10/06/2020 21:52

'You have kids? How did you know between you and your partner which one of you was going to get pregnant?'

i'm the only one that currently has the equipment, yes, but i don't see why that should define my identity.

like, which precise bit of me is my 'woman-ness' located in? i guess that's the logical end to this argument that interests me. if we can't point to it, it makes me strongly think that it isn't really there.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 10/06/2020 21:55

You seem to be confused about the difference between sex and gender. You’re conflating the two. Perhaps have a little read up and then return.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 10/06/2020 21:56

My comment was to Seasidetrains

Jkslays · 10/06/2020 21:57

Have they taken the post down? I can’t see it any more..

macaroniandpizza · 10/06/2020 21:57

How cuntish of them to do that to jk rowling after she opened up about her experience of dv. Yet their pinned tweet says they support dv victims... seems they do unless your jk rowling 🙄

Seasidetrains · 10/06/2020 21:58

*You are making the age old mistake of assuming the current generation invents everything and understands everything better than people before them.

Saying "this point" really just directs us to your own beliefs that you have now in this moment, and that are just floating there oblivious to the history of the liberation of women. Your entire post is cliche after cliche of US uni gender studies dogma, likely written and repeated endlessly by the old man professor of women's studies smile the Body shop are promoting in their patronising mansplaining tweet. That you are so soaked in this men's rights movement language and are here to berate women for the men is sad enough, but the fact that you can't see it is sadder.*

at no point have i berated women. i'm a feminist. i don't agree with what rowling says and think it will cause a lot of pain for other people, but i haven't at any point said anything derogatory about her.

i don't really undesrtand why you take issue with me saying 'at this point'. in, say, the 1930s you couldn't choose with such freedom which gender you identify with, and now you can. or am i misinterpreting what you're saying?

i'm an academic, but not (at all) in the gender studies field. i've read some of the material but not much. most of my opinions on this topic have come from feeling my own gender identitiy evolve as i get older, and also from having kids and seeing how poorly the characteristics of 'male' and 'female' describe people in all their complexity.