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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

582 replies

Littlemeadow123 · 10/06/2020 12:54

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

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ShinyFootball · 10/06/2020 18:36

Hold on a minute

Transsexual is flagged by stonewall as outdated and exclusionary

Transgender is not the same, it is a wider group that includes cross dressers, part time cross dressers, non binary people etc

A person can have penis testicles, present 'as a man' with beard etc, and use women's spaces if they internally identify as female. Girls and women are advised never to question if they see a person like this in a women's space.

Old school transsexual people, who are being truly fucked over by current trans activism, are called 'truscum' if they don't agree with what is going on.

RedDogsBeg · 10/06/2020 18:37

I'm deeply saddened at how prejudiced and intolerant people in this country are. I thought things were improving but it feels like we are going backwards

Agree, the sustained assault being waged to remove all rights for females is trying to drag us back into the Dark Ages, but don't worry, you can rest easy, there are swathes of us prepared to fight to our very last breath to uphold the rights of females to safety, privacy and dignity and to retain the ability to use the language they want to describe themselves and stop any imposition of othering and dehumanising language upon us.

Datun · 10/06/2020 18:37

For anyone who's missed it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3934845-JK-new-post-on-her-reasons-for-writing-about-gender

And remember, we may not be able to identify the misogynists, but you will always be the ones who hate women.

LastRoloIsMine · 10/06/2020 18:38

Its always the same.
They plop.
They leave.
Never any substance.

What makes me laugh is they use the articulate well thought out posts and explanations as proof of transphobe but make accusations of bigotry without putting in any effort.
They just name call. Its all they have.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 18:39

@FatalSecrets

Whenever I see these threads they’re always exactly the same and always completely

If only people would answer the questions directed at them, right?

Ooh, Burgundy had a post deleted - I don't suppose it contained the clarification I was waiting for did it?

I've just read JKR's piece - absolutely fucking amazing. I'm not sure whether this is thread to appropriately gush about it, because her writing deserves better than this shitshow of a thread but to paraphrase - fucking yes!

Another link to it, just because. And posts can very easily get missed around here! Wink
www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 10/06/2020 18:41

@datun you’ll always find extreme examples if you look hard enough.

But you don't have to look at all hard, do you? That's why female only spaces were created in the first place.

Male aggression and violence is not rare.

Pertella · 10/06/2020 18:45

It's weird though. We get accused of not wanting to enter into debate and yet any questions we ask rarely get answered.

I say weird, what I mean is par for the course.

Maybe we need a dedicated "questions for TRAs" thread where there is just a list of questions to answer and they can reply without us pesky women interrupting Wink

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 10/06/2020 18:49

DickKerr Burgundy had a post deleted for implying that FWR commenters are racists. It's one of today's list of evidence-free but ugly accusations levelled at women who won't toe the line.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 18:54

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse

DickKerr Burgundy had a post deleted for implying that FWR commenters are racists. It's one of today's list of evidence-free but ugly accusations levelled at women who won't toe the line.
Ah well. I'll continue to wait.
Al1Langdownthecleghole · 10/06/2020 18:55

And what happened to be kind?

After you.

Witchlight · 10/06/2020 18:56

Being pro woman means that you support each other. It doesn't mean that you turn on others simply because they were not born anatomically like you.

Absolutely, be kind and support one another. However, that doesn’t mean that the person you are supporting should have all their views affirmed. It also doesn’t mean you should subserve your own identity in order to support another.

There is a huge amount competing needs and rights in order to attain some semblance of equality.

So, on a train there is a disabled seat, for pregnant women and disabled people. If a woman sat in it because their feet were hurting ( not pregnant) they should still make way for a disabled person. It doesn’t matter that the women has been discriminated against and disadvantaged because they are A women. If despite his disability, the disabled man also has a huge amount of white, middle class, male privilege in spades, the seat still goes to the disabled man, because it has been set aside for the disabled.

Single sex spaces are similarly set aside for one sex, or another. It doesn’t matter if trans people are the most discriminated people in the history of mankind, the spaces are allocated and ring fenced by sex.

If trans people are being discriminated against to access non equality specified places and to live their lives as members of the human race eg housing, work, education etc I will be there marching with them and supporting them.

However, trans people don’t get to trump everyone else’s rights, they are not the only people to suffer discrimination. They also don’t get to police thoughts and speech because they disagree, or don’t like it. They are entitled to equality, not to become a sacred caste.

LastRoloIsMine · 10/06/2020 18:56

I just read JKs post blog whatever you want to call it.
WOW.
I am blown away.
Arguing pleading and begging with TRAS as I have today was pointless.
I do not have to pander to you and give you a list of reasons.
I am female.
Transwomen are not.
Thats a good enough reason.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 18:59

Predictably she's getting a response on twitter of "it didn't happen, and if it did, it wasn't that bad, and if it was, it wasn't our fault and you brought it on yourself anyway".

But yeah, what did happen to be kind?

LastRoloIsMine · 10/06/2020 19:09

Dick
I hat using buzz words but the gaslighting that goes on crushes me.

We know what abuse looks like. We may not recognise it but we can describe it. Yet we are always told we are making it up.

TW are women is the pinnacle of gaslighting.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/06/2020 19:13

#IStandWithJKR is trending on Twitter. Wish I had the guts to post it there. Which itself says something about how toxic this issue is and how women feel intimidated.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 19:15

@NotTerfNorCis

#IStandWithJKR is trending on Twitter. Wish I had the guts to post it there. Which itself says something about how toxic this issue is and how women feel intimidated.
And there, just like here today, the people posting shit at her for what she's saying are proving that what she's saying is true - and they still do it.
Ickabog · 10/06/2020 19:21

#IStandWithJKR is trending on Twitter.

Her writing had a magical reaction all those years ago, and still does. I sincerely hope this piece has a similar affect, and opens so many eyes to what is happening.

SarahMcDonald · 10/06/2020 19:30

I'm deeply saddened at how prejudiced and intolerant people in this country are. I thought things were improving but it feels like we are going backwards

I couldn’t agree more. But I’m still waiting for someone to explain why women in prison should be at risk from male sex offenders. Why is no one kind to them?

Or don’t you want to admit they are just collateral damage in the men’s sexual rights campaign ?

Fairenuff · 10/06/2020 19:32

Why did that man only serve 3 months for raping an unconscious woman?

Be kind my arse.

LastRoloIsMine · 10/06/2020 19:35

JKs blog thingy has inspired me.

I have always been none committal on FB.
I see it as a way to catch up with family and friends. Lighthearted and easy.

However JK has inspired me so I have posted this:

There are so many important things to talk about right now I know that but...for some reason I have chosen now to voice my stance.

Maybe its the JK Rowling tweet and the uninvited Daniel Radcliffe apology.

I believe all humans deserve rights simply because human rights are the bench mark.

That said.
Males no matter how they feel , dress, present, choose or demand will never be female.
Females who dress, present, choose or demand will never be male.
I believe in biology and humans cannot change sex.

As a female with 13 year old daughters no male will ever be naked in front of them without their consent.
No matter how much he states his penis is female.
No matter how many times you call me a bigot or transphobic.
My daughters have the right to safety.
They have the right not to be forced to be naked in front of a male.

Call me all the names you want but I owe it to my daughters and their daughters to give them the same protections my female ancestors fought for and that I have taken for granted.

They are 13 years years old and it is my job to protect them.

EboracumNovum · 10/06/2020 19:39

@Littlemeadow123

We'll just be over here, being kind ti women and girls

Yep. That's right. You just be kind to the people who are like you and only the people who are like you.

Erm...if you believe that transgender women and women are exactly the same isnt that statement rather arse about face?
LastRoloIsMine · 10/06/2020 19:41

rather arse about face?

Love this. So descriptive.
Sorry to go of piste Grin

Redannie118 · 10/06/2020 19:42

Im currently fighting for my life against a extremely aggressive eostrogen driven breast cancer
Before this I was getting regular iron infusions to combat anemia ( from horrific periods)so bad my life was pretty much on hold
Endometriosis left me throwing up with pain for 2 weeks per month and unable to get pregnant naturally
I had pre eclampsia with both my pregnacies. I also had emergency c- sections and nearly died each time.
I then went on to have such serious PND i was hallucinating, self-harming and planning my own death every day.
Every scar on my body, my self harm scars, my c-sections, whats left of my breast- all stem from my female reproductive system. I look like Frankensteins monster- all scars and lumps and bruises.
I am not alone. Pretty much every woman i know has faced at least one of these issues( or similar) over time.
Every day im being told my womb does not matter. That a man with a penis is as much a woman as i am. That i must not speak about what im going through in case it upsets transwomen with no womb.
Fuck that. Screenshot this for yourTwitter feed. Let the world see why we are so fucking angry.
The angry mob with pitchforks tried to silence Frankensteins monster. 200 years on we are still telling his story- only now we can see he wasnt the one who was the monster. Lets hope we dont have to wait that long

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 10/06/2020 19:47

Great, isn't it? My observant Muslim friend's daughter had to stop going to the gym because a TW insisted going in the one women-only hour a week. But she should just suck it up and stop exercising, amirite?

Spot on. Fuck the women: Muslim women, Christian women, Jewish women. Who, in the name of all that's holy, do they think they are with their female only space demands? Hmm

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/06/2020 19:50

Redannie Flowers

Indeed, fuck that. I'm so sorry for all you are going through. Being born with a female reproductive system, living in a body with one and its very specific disadvantages, is something every single female shares in. It's the only thing that every female on the planet has in common.

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