Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

Greyt - are you willing to listen to an actual experience I had? About somewhere that very much needed to be a biological women only space?

[quote littlbrowndog]Read this it’s. Awesome

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/[/quote]
Awesome is the word indeed.

Would it be really fan-girl of me to send a second thank you email to JKR?

@FatalSecrets

Greyt - are you willing to listen to an actual experience I had? About somewhere that very much needed to be a biological women only space?

If you are going to make a sweeping generalisation about an entire group of people because of one experience then no I'm not interested. Its pretty obvious why that's not a valid way of debating.

If a transwomen is a make to female transsexual, that case, how does one change sex?

And there it is, fuck off women, your trauma doesn’t matter as long as the menfolk are happy.

@midgebabe

If a transwomen is a make to female transsexual, that case, how does one change sex?

Are you not aware of Google.

That is awesome littlebrowndog

Except not everyone who is trans has dysphoria... So are you suggesting if the don't have dysphoria then they must all be pervs? Because FYI that is transphobic to say.

Good job I didnt say that then.

But as you are clearly cherry picking comments out of context you have at least proved one thing, so thank you

If you are going to make a sweeping generalisation about an entire group of people because of one experience then no I'm not interested

No I was going to tell you about an actual experience to explain why some spaces absolutely need to be women only.

But I guess you're not interested. So yeah, how IS that debating style of yours...

@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong

And there it is, fuck off women, your trauma doesn’t matter as long as the menfolk are happy.

Go ahead and twist my words because you can't have a valid discussion. Clearly that is not what i said and this is an example of why it's impossible to have a debate on this site. You only want me to give you a specific answer and if I don't you twist my words to suit your agenda. It's ridiculous to write off an entire group of people for one experience and you know that is NOT the same as disregarding trauma.

I am very aware of google, thanks though for the suggestion

And from my reading , it is not possible to actually change sex.

So therefore a transsexual person has not changed sex.

Seems like you have been hoodwinked

Thank you everyone for proving my point about how transphobic mumsnet are. It's validated why I don't bother discussing the topic on here. I'm hiding the thread now

"Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic"

Pro-football is just a euphemism for 'hates rugby'.

"A transwoman is a male-to-female transsexual"

I cant work out if you're playing some sort of game here, or if you genuinely don't know that's considered really transphobic?

So anyway... How do we tell the difference between an actual transwoman and the chances, perves and fetishists who just want to gain access to women and girls?

I wont hold my breath for an answer that addresses what I've actually asked instead of trying to deflect.

A transwoman is a male-to-female transsexual

Isn't that considered to be a rather old fashioned definition, stonewall and others have broadened the definition much much wider than that.

Oh, another one that runs away when the contradictions in MRA /TRA rhetoric is pointed out.

GreytExpectations, you keep directing us to google, why don't you look up the Stonewall definition of trans.
I'm sure you'd want to Do Better and Be Kind and stuff.

Thank you everyone for proving my point about how transphobic mumsnet are. It's validated why I don't bother discussing the topic on here. I'm hiding the thread now

How are we proving the point though?

I for one have asked for clarification ( I know others have but speaking from my own perspective)
I have offered ways to have a discussion with no agenda.
I want my opinion to be challenged however simply saying "you are trasnphobic because I say so" is not enough for me. I am like many on here a bright woman. I need reasons and debate.

You stating you are hiding the thread makes you look like a plopped and as I said earlier ploppers are pointless.

Your dismissal of any woman's traumatic experience is hardly kind.

Women are trying to share with you the distressing experiences they have had - and they add up, that one incident has happened to a hell of a lot of women at the hands of males and for many it is more than one - and why many females are afraid to share spaces with any males, and why allowing predators loopholes is a very very bad thing for female safety.

However it isn't just fear. I have many wonderful male people in my life, I would trust any of them with my life, they would never harm anyone. I would not want to undress around any of them, and they would be as embarrassed to undress before me. Male and female privacy is the norm in this country and there is nothing about that going to change any time soon. Females are being asked to make an exception for some males.

Many are not comfortable or happy with it. Female privacy, dignity, feelings and needs for safety are as important as those of males who would like to use female facilities. Many females will not be able to use public facilities at all under a policy which would give males choice between and ownership of all the facilities.

I'll ask again: what would you do with those females? Exclude them as a punishment for not being privileged enough to enjoy or even be allowed to access mixed sex experiences and to feel safe within them? Public provision has to be designed to meet all needs. Not to sacrifice female interests for male ones.

when I say rights I mean human rights. Not male or female rights, the rights to live on this earth as a human being with dignity and respect,

I want my human right to safety, privacy and dignity upheld, the TRA agenda seeks to demolish that.

Pro-football is just a euphemism for 'hates rugby'

I am pro rugby does that make me football phobic?

If a transwomen is a make to female transsexual, that case, how does one change sex?
Are you not aware of Google.

We are not talking about changing sex on google like a 56 year old man who sets himself up with a prepubescent-style female anime avatar. In the real world humans cannot change sex. But everyone knows that. Every sing TRA knows that Transwomen are not and can never be women and that is why they are angry with women.

I am pro rugby does that make me football phobic?

Yeah, so suck on my shin guard till you choke you FERB

Transwomen are not and can never be women and that is why they are angry with women.

Men are always angry with women for oh so many reasons that I don't have enough fingers and toes to count on.

I may start a thread asking for examples.