Just when you think you couldn’t love JK Rowling more...

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She posts this.

Humans reproduce by sexual reproduction- two sexes required. It’s not an opinion it’s biology

I think sex is whatever you want it to be, my belief is just as valid as yours or anyone elses for that matter, why do you think that your opinion is 'the' one, just because you say it is?

Nope. Sex is not an opinion. It's a material fact, and you can take swings at religious people all you like, but your beliefs about sex have no more credibility than the story of the talking donkey in the old testament. They are not 'valid'. They are wrong.

Chocolate
Can you explain what you mean by 'gender'? You said:

I do feel that gender is an identity

and:

what would you do if your child was really suffering with wanting to be a different gender?

If gender is an identity, it's a non-physical quantity, like a personality. So if a child wanted to be a different 'gender' (identity, personality), surely all they have to do is just be themselves and dress as they want to and take part in activities they enjoy and so on. Why would they be 'suffering'?

I've just caught back up on this. Hilarious.

The thousands upon thousands of abusive and misogynistic and often homophobic tweets (remarkably similar to MRAs and incel-speak) doxxing of women, violent threats of rape and murder, women being stalked, harassed, reported to their employers so they can be sacked for wrongthink, people being reported to the police for wrongthink, no-platforming, and yet strangely, there is very little evidence of anything similar coming the other way... (unless you call woman saying "I exist and sex matters" as somehow equivalent of the threat of being punched and raped with a baseball bat if we don't shut up? Do you?)

And yet strangely it's OUR fault and "disgusting transphobia" for pointing out that it's transactivists doing this over, and over, and over. For years. Huge numbers of receipts. And they are doing it literally in your name.

Frankly, if you don't want people to think this violent, misogynistic rhetoric is in any way representative of you or your ideology or your community", you need to stand up to them and get new friends.

To get the thread to 1000 posts so it will just disappear?

Definitely the plan. They are a bit late though, we all have said how wonderful JKR is. Nonsense on the last couple of hundred posts isn't a problem.

chocolate50 thanks for answering.
I dont agree though that sex is something you opt in or out of. It's just your body. The way its formed. Perhaps this is another case of the conflation between sex and gender. Gender is something you can embrace, struggle with or ignore, it is a choice once you are aware of it.

You dont really address my question though about the wider impact on everyone else. And why a persons subjective self assessment should trump an objective set of standards. We dont allow it for anything else that could impact other people. A clumsy comparison, but we dont just let anyone drive even if they self identify as a good and careful driver. They need to meet a set of external standards before they are accepted as such. It would probably be fine in the vast majority of cases but policy makers have to account for the catastrophic effects of tiny subset when it isnt fine.

To get the thread to 1000 posts so it will just disappear?

And then we can start a new thread and link this one too it!

@EmpressLangClegInChair

Is red velvet cake on offer?

That’s US cultural imperialism right there. Utter filth! You need an Eccles cake to really ground you, or a scone. None of that faked red American cake.

I think sex is whatever you want it to be, my belief is just as valid as yours or anyone elses for that matter, why do you think that your opinion is 'the' one, just because you say it is? The world is full of 'facts' that are unproven, the fucking bible is based on myth, yet many people believe in god almighty.

I'm a bit confused about which point you are replying to , but truthfairy has been arguing that nobody has claimed that sex doesn't exist, so your argument that sex can be 'whatever you want it to be' rather undermines truthfairy's argument.

Ok let’s go, let’s get it to 1000, then the idiots on the last 10 pages can wank themselves off for achieving their goal and the grown ups can talk about JK Rowling on thread 2.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but Philip Pullman tweeted in support. He didn't elaborate, just said he was uncomfortable with the abuse directed at JKR.

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1270065197118631936

chocolate50 you are mixing up your personal belief with measurable fact.
Why should I or anyone live by your belief, not by material reality?

Now that we can't use the term, 'woman', can we use the term XX or Double x?
Can we demand toilets for only those who have xx chromosomes? And decent health care, and sanitation?
Now that people can claim to be whatever gender they want to be, can those of us who can prove our biological identity as a woman claim a new name?
Feel like we're arguing with flatearthers and others who deny science.

*The fact that basic fucking principles of logic seem to elude these fuckers is the reason we are in this mess.”

I was thinking that what seemed to characterise those frothing at JKR’s words is a distinct lack of intellectual capacity. I wouldn’t care if they disagreed if only they had a brain, coherent opposing argument. But I suppose for the young and stupid, and undoubtedly Russian trolls, online outrage is a fun outing when you’re tired of talking about anime fetish on Tumblr.

Whilst we're at it, how about renaming Mumsnet?

Did you see Jonathan Ross has done a reverse? Said he’s spoken to his daughters. Sad.

@truthfairy thank you for your kind words, I agree that personal experience must help, also that many opinions on here do not evidently come from personal experience, rather mainstream education. But I do respect and believe that people can choose gender, sex (to me only) is something that is physical but sexual activity can be chosen, I do know of people who believe and feel for themselves that this is also transient. I also reject that gender reassignment is a mental health issue, although I do think that if you are born into a body you are unhappy with or that you are unhappy with your gender, this can lead to mental health issues if left (much like someone who is gay and made to live a straight life would be soul destroying).
I feel like a lot of posters on here are missing the point, deliberately. I don't use twitter actually but saw the posts that JK rowling made, and I feel that she is an attention grabbing transphobic. Thats just my view though.

choc
Good luck to you and your child.

Chocolate50 this isn't twitter. You aren't covering yourself in glory or making the tiniest impact.

@7Days I am not asking or assuming anyone would live by my belief, just that they have the right to live as they choose, you asked for my opinion, that is simply mine.
Why is it that anyone should be prescribed to anyone but their own views and way of life? it has nothing to do with me or anyone else. You can't just decide what or who someone else is or decides to live, its nothing to do with you or anyone else. Hope that's clearer

I feel like a lot of posters on here are missing the point, deliberately.

No, I think you are missing the point.

Forcing people into gender categories is harmful and restrictive, but we can't escape the consequences of sex, regardless of how we identify. Women's ability to participate equally in society depends on sex based rights and services. Without the ability to talk about sex it is impossible for those rights and services to exist.

I am not asking or assuming anyone would live by my belief, just that they have the right to live as they choose

It just keeps coming

People do have a right to live how they choose apart from women, it would seem.
Choc, can’t you see the conflict between the two set of opposing rights at all?

@Doyoumind thanks for letting me know what site I am on and that I am somehow not covering myself in glory. That's really useful to know.
@Dances thank you so much for your heartfelt kindness, you will surely go straight to heaven.

just that they have the right to live as they choose

Without sex based rights and services I don't have the right to live as I choose.