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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jane Fae is fleeing the UK [shock]

117 replies

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/06/2020 18:49

www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-people-are-preparing-to-flee-uk-after-government-threatens-new-bathroom-law/

"She said: ‘As a trans person I no longer feel safe. And the reason I don’t feel safe is not the random on-street stuff.

‘There has always been an undertone of violence directed at me and trans people generally.

‘But at least there has been a sense that the government understood and was happy to go along with broadly accepted rights that have been won in this country and that are accepted elsewhere. Now I’ve lost faith the government will defend us.’

She has started to plan a move, so she is not ‘caught on the hop’. In particular, she is looking at whether she’d need asylum seeker status to live in New Zealand."

OP posts:
R0wantrees · 05/06/2020 09:35

‘There has always been an undertone of violence directed at me and trans people generally.

The World September 25, 2018
By Allison Herrera

'Transgender women are women,' organizers say after controversy over women-only pond in London"

(extract)
"Jane Faye was early in her transition from male to female when she was accosted before entering the women's changing area. It was a Saturday morning, and she was getting ready to step into the pool with her then 5-year-old son. A man appeared out of nowhere and threatened her.

“This man just hogged the way. And said, 'You're not going in there.' And I said, "Why not?" And he just said, 'Well, I'm going to hit you if you do,'” said Faye, who lives north of London.

It was a terrifying moment. "And I think [among] the various lessons I learned very early on in transition is that men were dangerous.”

So, when Faye first heard about the Hampstead Heath Ladies' Pond, a women-only swimming pond in the middle of London, she assumed it was a safe space for all women, including transgender women like herself." (continues)
www.pri.org/stories/2018-09-25/transgender-women-are-women-organizers-say-after-controversy-over-women-only-pond

lanadelgrey · 05/06/2020 10:17

Now if trans woman had allied themselves with women in dealing with male violence, we could have got quite a movement going and really shifted the goalposts. Created a far bigger neutral space for everyone in the middle but that might have meant listening first and not pushing hard into women’s spaces and understanding why they exist

Justhadathought · 05/06/2020 10:31

That’s the thing that annoys Jane - that dangerous erosions of women’s safety were being ushered in quietly without real examination and now a light has been shone on this

..along with what I detected was a fear born out of the coronavirus situation. That as an older male they were more vulnerable; and that it has become very evident that natal sex actually matters, and has very real effects and consequences that cannot be buried simply with the 'correct' use of pronouns.

Lordfrontpaw · 05/06/2020 10:54

Oh lord, they arent all going to Scotland then are they?

R0wantrees · 05/06/2020 11:04

Report by TheHarpySings from the transactivist conference, 'We're Still Here' organised by Jane Fae September 2018:

(extract)
4) Equalities Act

So… there was a kind of informal meeting during lunchtime about The Equalities Act which was being run by everyone’s favourite advocate for extreme porn, Jane Fae. Edward Lord turned up, straight from a meeting with the City of London Corp. PlEASE NOTE THAT FAE AND LORD DID NOT WANT THIS SECTION TWEETED.

Edward Lord. He was dressed like Tweedledum. Or, if I’m feeling generous, a Mario Brother that doesn’t get invited to Xmas dinner anymore.

Mr Lord was very bumfaced about the Andrew Gilligan article about him in July and said that opposition to the GRA consultation just wanted to “cause mayhem.” He directly mentioned the Man Friday Hampstead Pond stuff.

Apparently “there have been no incidents of men turning up to the women’s pond but Man Friday turned up to the men’s pond and demanded admission- by force if necessary.”

As of 8/9/18, 15.5k people had completed the attitudes survey.

Lord said that TW were entitled to the protected characteristic “Woman”- he said the Gov dept on woman and equalities has confirmed this. Apparently the brave and stunning vexatious litigator Giuliana Kendall has something to do with this being confirmed.

Edward Lord is worried about the 125 elected members of the London assembly or whatever the fuck Londoners have governing the city. Not all of them are onside. He is worried that all of this is going to be discussed at committee and that “terfs are going to protest”.

Jane Fae said that JF has been in contact w/ YHA and GirlGuiding. Fae is of the opinion that the law doesn’t distinguish gender and sex. They are not defined and parliament will not define them.

The TRAs are fully prepared to take local councils to court of they try to invoke EA2010 for reasons of sex. JF was nodding at Giuliana when JF said this.

James Morton (Scottish Trans Alliance) said to be “strategic about test cases to ensure strong case law”.

Edward Lord agreed. He also said that the City of London Corp city solicitor and the Chief Exec are “strong allies”.

Regards the consultation doc put out by the City of London Corp… Lord implied that they were going to go through the answers and cherry pick the the qualitative snapshots.

One of the Mermaids mums in attendance said the “banner of concerned mothers of vulnerable children shouldn’t be captured by bigots”. Lord is meeting officers about how data is presented and is “conscious of that line of argument”

Jane Fae said the GC side are spreading a myth of predatory males- which doesn’t happen (!!! Lolz Karen White). And also spreading the myth that that TW are paedophiles (Loz Karen White x2).

Then (and Fae didn’t want this tweeted) apparently, there ARE terrible people exploiting The Equalities Act. And they are…

Man Friday
We Need To Talk
Fair Play for Women

According to Fae, all of the above have broken laws and engaged in upskirting and crotch shots of TW. Fae talked about debating Amy Desir of Man Friday about refuges. Amy talked about how female socialisation essentially stops us from refusing TW in our spaces.

JF then asked people not to tweet this next bit because it is libellous: Amy Desir took her husband into the Next changing rooms to commit voyeurism.
Fae (shouting): “Who is the pervert now?!!”

JF hopes that Amy and Man Friday are prosecuted."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3869907-Jane-Fae-The-coronavirus-death-rate-for-men-is-high-possibly-because-women-are-not-pulling-their-weight-in-the-crisis

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3710570-Astonishing-thread-from-Jane-Fae-Darvo-at-its-finest

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

Dances · 05/06/2020 11:06

Refugee? Asylum? There is nothing they wont poach and misappropriate is there?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 05/06/2020 11:14

Happy to be corrected but I'm sure it's never been an actual "right" for a tw to use sex segregated facilities? Actual women put up with it because we were scared of the consequences.

And how many timed did Jane have rocks thrown at Jane in the toilet? Isn't the problem the person throwing the rocks ? Maybe Jane should ask her buddies like Stonewall etc to help Jane to do something about the actual problem?

hoodathunkit · 05/06/2020 13:03

In the video OldCrone posted here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YDp1NF2RVc

at 3 minutes in JF says that they regard the debate about real women and real masculinity to be problematic as it “sets people apart and creates categories”.

This is astounding. One of the central problems with the cultic elements of the transgender movement is the frequency with which it sets people apart and creates oppositions and divisions via the creation of multiple categories of gender identity, each one of which is proclaimed to be “authentic” and thus real.

Surely the TWAW mantra is a form of cultural appropriation, “woman face” if you like, based on the lie that if you think you are a woman you are a "real woman" (as opposed to a man who identifies as a woman).

This debate about what constitutes a “real woman” is one that is close to my heart and painful for me. When I was trafficked my pimp admonish me, several times a day, for not being a “real woman”. This ongoing gaslighting exacerbated my insecurities about my sex and gender identity and my imposter syndrome, something that I think that all women experience to some degree.

It was thus unsurprising to me to learn that other sex workers I knew at the time experienced similar rebukes and nagging from their pimps. “You’re not a real woman!” is something that pimps and traffickers often say to the women they oppress.

I endured painful and degrading sexual assaults from my pimp as a way of “opening me up” to help to “make me a real woman”. I know other women who experienced the same abuses, in fact they are not uncommon.

Thus, when I subsequently discovered many deeply abusive cults all offering training courses in how to become a "real woman”, how to “open up your femininity” and variations thereof, it was no great surprise to learn that many of these cults had run into legal problems in relation to allegations of the sexual exploitation of women and children in systems of prostitution and pornography.

When I discovered that they promote sexual rituals to “open up” women, but leave women traumatised and suffering from the Stockholm syndrome I understood the dynamics of oppression as I had experienced them personall and directly.

There is a deep vein of misogyny running through the various narratives promoted by these cults. They claim to offer empowerment but they offer only abuse and slavery.

Cultural appropriation is one of the identifying features of these cults.

Typically they claim to be Sufis (usually of the new age / Universal Sufism / synchretic variety), Native American medicine men and women (real Native people loathe them and detest their contribution towards cultural genocide), Hindu (there are plenty of powerful “Godmen” and women in India using modified / synchretic Hindu practices to abuse naive Westerners), Buddhist (where to start there are so many dodgy Buddhist con men and women I would be here all day if I listen them) Siberian shamans (most of these were murdered by Stalin’s goons, the modern variety are mostly linked to serious organised crime) and variations on any religion / spiritual path you like.

This entryist infiltration / astroturfing / cultural appropriation of spiritual movements is a feature of all the cults I study but is also a central feature of the cultic elements of the TRA movement.

All of these movements specialise in astroturfing oppressed groups, appropriating their narratives and adorning themselves with the cloak of victimhood (a cloak that they do not have the right to wear), so as to deflect criticism and claim the moral high ground. It is simply DARVO

Back to JF

Just pointing out, they are an associate of the paedophile rights campaigner Tuppy Owens.

The name Fae is linked to the Radical Faeries movement - just in case readers are unfamiliar with it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Faeries

an example of a modern day “radical faerie” can be found here
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170512125202/sacredpleasures.co.uk/team/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170512125202/sacredpleasures.co.uk/team/
and here

and here

I was also interested in Fae’s piece for the Register in which they call the IWF (an organisation responsible for monitoring the www for images of chid sexual exploitation) as an “anti-smut” organisation. WTAF?

Refugee? Asylum? There is nothing they wont poach and misappropriate is there?

You’re getting the hang of how this works

The answer is, no, there is nothing they won’t poach and misappropriate.

Pulling the cloak of victimhood from oppressed people and using it to disguise themselves as they push their way on to the zenith of the hierarchy off oppression, leaving other, more oppressed, people falling down as they go, that is how it works. Exactly how it works.

hoodathunkit · 05/06/2020 13:19

When I talk of the heriarchy of oppression I am referring to an unhelpful construct but a costruct that is misused by the cultic elements of the TRA movement and by the various networks and actors agitating for divide and conquer

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 05/06/2020 13:47

Ah I see:

In New Zealand, pornography is generally treated in a liberal manner and very little is banned by the Office of Film and Literature Classification.

Should feel right at home!

ShinyFootball · 05/06/2020 13:52

I was surprised so had a quick Google

'Pornography is not illegal in New Zealand but there are age restrictions associated with it (usually 18 years of age).

Then there are other forms of pornography that are illegal. This includes material involving dead people, cruelty, severe violence as well as child or animal abuse that is deemed objectionable.'

Sounds not dissimilar to ours.

When pasting that I suddenly really connected with what it was saying, and thought. Why do we even NEED to have laws banning this. What's wrong with people (mainly men) that we even need to write laws about this.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/06/2020 14:05

So New Zealand has already banned the type of porn that Fae campaigned in favor of in the UK. Sounds like perhaps it's not the best fit for Fae after all.

Who is Tuppy Owens and what is Fae's connection to them?

littlbrowndog · 05/06/2020 14:08

Fae told people how to wipe their hard drives ? Was it fae ?

Gotta ask why do people have to wipe thei4 hard drives. What could be on their hard drives ?

BacklashStarts · 05/06/2020 14:10

Maybe Elon would consider sending Jane to the moon? Somewhere nice, safe and no wifi or access to kids to draw into extreme abuse images oh I mean porn

ShinyFootball · 05/06/2020 14:11

Was it Fae who said adults putting blocks on internet etc or policing what kids view in any way was an affront on their rights to privacy or something... Or was that someone else?

ThePankhurstConnection · 05/06/2020 14:13

Oh no! I'm so upset.

That this will be empty posturing for attention. Sad

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/06/2020 14:15

Gotta ask why do people have to wipe thei4 hard drives. What could be on their hard drives ?

I'd imagine that if one is campaigning for the kind of content Fae was campaigning for then wiping one's hard drive might be a daily occurrence.

OldCrone · 05/06/2020 14:17

@littlbrowndog

Fae told people how to wipe their hard drives ? Was it fae ?

Gotta ask why do people have to wipe thei4 hard drives. What could be on their hard drives ?

www.theregister.com/2009/01/24/extreme_pron_law_live/

Lots more by Jane Fae/John Ozimek on The Register site.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 05/06/2020 14:26

@Lordfrontpaw

Oh lord, they arent all going to Scotland then are they?
Sad
SisyphusLangClegRocks · 05/06/2020 14:26

Fae also said the reason more men were impacted by Covid, was because they did more dangerous work aka coming in contact with sufferers etc. If only women could be nurses or careworkers etc....oh, wait....

ShinyFootball · 05/06/2020 14:29

Oh yes specifically didn't Fae call for 'cis' women to step up and help with Corona?

Lordfrontpaw · 05/06/2020 14:29

@ShinyFootball

Oh yes specifically didn't Fae call for 'cis' women to step up and help with Corona?
I thought that was some other charmer.
OldCrone · 05/06/2020 14:30

Previous thread about that delightful 6'3'' shrinking violet Jane Fae who is terrified of Jenni Murray. Contains lots of links to Fae/Ozimek's work in favour of extreme porn and campaigns to legitimise violence against women.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3205176-dv-gone-wrong?pg=6

ShinyFootball · 05/06/2020 14:30

Their Twitter posts drip with genuine misogyny. Hatred of women.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/06/2020 14:32

Some people try to hide their seething hatred of women and fail, and then there are the ones who don't even try and who'd regard the suggestion that perhaps they should as an attack on their human rights.

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