Jane Fae is fleeing the UK [shock]

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-people-are-preparing-to-flee-uk-after-government-threatens-new-bathroom-law/

"She said: ‘As a trans person I no longer feel safe. And the reason I don’t feel safe is not the random on-street stuff.

‘There has always been an undertone of violence directed at me and trans people generally.

‘But at least there has been a sense that the government understood and was happy to go along with broadly accepted rights that have been won in this country and that are accepted elsewhere. Now I’ve lost faith the government will defend us.’

She has started to plan a move, so she is not ‘caught on the hop’. In particular, she is looking at whether she’d need asylum seeker status to live in New Zealand."

[R0wantrees]

from the article in OP

"Trans writer Gemma Stone is one of those who feels she can’t leave. She remains tied to the country by her family. And in any case she told GSN she ‘could not afford to leave’.

Despite this, she said: ‘I have genuinely looked at moving to New Zealand or Canada. A lot of people have had enough and are really scared.

‘I haven’t seen many trans guys saying it but the hate campaign is mostly targeting women.’"

[BatShite]

"She said: ‘As a trans person I no longer feel safe. And the reason I don’t feel safe is not the random on-street stuff.

More 'it is unsafe to be around women who say no'..whilst claiming not to be scared of the actual violent attacks in the street that males launch on transpeople? Or am I reading it wrong..hmm.

I would have thought that a woman wanting her own space was much much preferable to some trasphobe actually attacking you. But..I seem to think much differetly to TRA types.

[Dances]

Wonder if the knitting needles will be packed or if Jane will have to buy new ones on arrival at the new home

[WhereYouLeftIt]

So that headline - "Trans people are preparing to flee UK after government threatens new bathroom law"

Shallow of me I know, but it just reminded me of all those tax-allergic people threatening to leave the country if Labour got elected (yonks ago, Blair-era). Empty words.

[SarahTancredi]

It's not even a new bathroom law is it.

More like being sprung abusing and misrepresenting the old ones after getting greedy

[Aesopfable]

This is the UK definition of extreme porn:

Someone’s been doing their homework.

[WTFSeriously]

'That wasn't Jane Fae. The article details a number of transwomen who have had alarming experiences in the UK and who are planned to leave.'

Ah, sorry, I don't click these articles so went with a quote here & assumes that was JF.

[Namechange2020onceagain]

I have no problem with fully transitioned people using the toilets that are not their sex at birth toilets. I do have a problem with perverts and abusers using any toilet to get their thrills or intimidate/attack people.

If you have a penis, use the mens, if you have a vagina, use the womens, it really is that simple.

I have a huge problem with self id. It is open to such abuse.

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

[ShinyFootball]

I'm not sure how to take that, Aesop.

There have been threads about this person in the past.

I think it's worth pasting the law, which is a 30 sec Google search, so that people have the facts, rather than imagining what 'extreme porn' might mean. Threads on here show a range of understanding about what porn looks like at the moment (mainstream) and what would be classed as extreme.

Another point. With the disclaimer that everyone should feel safe and not be attacked, discriminated against at work etc. And a thought that came after an early poster mentioned Iraq.

So many countries in the world where Fae would never choose to go. Due to their repressive, homophobic attitudes and regimes. And the attacks men make on trans women are rooted in homophobia, whatever they might claim.

Do they spare a thought for the women, girls, gay men, lesbians and GNC people in those countries? Do they think of the men and women who undergo full surgical transition in this Iraq, because they are gay, and homosexuality used to attract (maybe still does) a death sentence?

Do they think of the women and girls who are in extremely awful situations where Isis/ deash are active eg the schoolgirls in Kenya, I think it was, the yazidi?

I don't recall much, if any, commentary about improving things for women (and twaw) around the world, or gay men and women, or anything really.

I recall Eddie izzard didn't 'dress as a woman' or wear makeup or nail varnish when he did a charity thing in a country where gay people and women are horrible oppressed. Why's that, I wonder? Women and girls can't identify out of that.

[TehBewilderness]

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

There appears to be a mass exodus:

'She told GSN: ‘I’m a six foot three trans person so I am quite a visible target for verbal and physical abuse.

‘People try to trip you up or give you a shove. I’ve had rocks thrown at me and been punched. Three times in the last year, someone has threatened me with a knife. It got so bad that I bought a stab vest but I still don’t feel safe.’

The 54 year old is thinking of moving next year. Partly she wants a fresh start but she adds: ‘I don’t want to have to face violence and threats as often as I do.’"

All this from the women and girls in toilets and changing rooms?
So they haven't been using the women's loo without problems for donkeys years after all?

Rock throwing? Is that a common UK thing, outside of kids street wars?

[ItsLateHumpty]

@Namechange2020onceagain

I have no problem with fully transitioned people using the toilets that are not their sex at birth toilets. I do have a problem with perverts and abusers using any toilet to get their thrills or intimidate/attack people.

If you have a penis, use the mens, if you have a vagina, use the womens, it really is that simple.

I have a huge problem with self id. It is open to such abuse.

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

The problem then becomes passing as the gender you ID as.

Who decides?

And if a transwoman doesn’t pass, but says they’ve ‘fully transitioned’ (whatever that means), I’m not about to start checking people’s pants. And my flight / fight / fawn / freeze reflex will kick in regardless if I perceive a male in the womans’ toilets.
Also don’t believe no penis = a vagina.

I also don’t want to start speculating on Faes level of transition, because I don’t believe people can change their biology, so it’s a) pointless b) a bit rude imo

[OldCrone]

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

I think it's considered transphobic to ask such questions. If Jane Fae has a penis, it's now a female penis.

There is also no requirement for genital surgery in order to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate. So a man can keep his penis but have the legal status of 'female'.

[Datun]

Sorry, I shouldn't have been lazy and used the quote function blush. Ah no worries. It's me misinterpreting.

[Aesopfable]

ShinyFootball it was a reference to the headteacher whose school set defining ‘hardcore pornography’ and ‘transgender pornography’ for 11 year olds homework.

I see my comment could have been interpreted differently

[Datun]

One of the reasons I live in London is I like to go out and socialise in pubs and clubs and restaurants. But if I can’t go out because I can’t use the loo, there’s not much point in staying here. It makes our lives unlivable.’

Are they seriously saying they have to seek asylum because they are not allowed to compete with women, or might be barred from a female only rape refuge? Or have to use a gender neutral toilet?

Dear lord.

For context, I remember Jane Fae telling Julie Bindel she was frightened of Jenni Murray.

[7Days]

It's really insulting.
The trembling tearful act. You see it all 9ber the place in this movement.
Another performance based on a misogynistic stereotype

[OldCrone]

For context, I remember Jane Fae telling Julie Bindel she was frightened of Jenni Murray.

[BoreOfWhabylon]

[chatwoo]

@OldCrone

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

I think it's considered transphobic to ask such questions. If Jane Fae has a penis, it's now a female penis.

There is also no requirement for genital surgery in order to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate. So a man can keep his penis but have the legal status of 'female'.

@OldCroneread
I these threads from time to time. Don't consider myself to be an "expert" so to speak, but like to keep vaguely informed!

Can I ask if what you've says (above) is applicable in reverse? Ie, could a woman get recognised as a man with the Gender Recognition Certificate?

[OldCrone]

Yes. GRCs are for women who want to be men as well as men who want to be women. I think about 1/3 of the GRCs issued to date have been issued to biological females.

[ShinyFootball]

From a while ago, so may be out of date, trans men have not been placed in male prisons in the UK.

That may have changed.

The problem here is male violence, male sex offending.

Why are trans people not focusing on that?

(Rhetorical question)

[AnyOldPrion]

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

If the problem women have is with obvious male bodies in their spaces due to trauma, then the surgical status of the person is irrelevant. They will still be alarmed by any obvious male, which includes most men whatever they wear and however much surgery they have.

Personally I don’t especially care who else is in the toilet I use, but I would care about having a man in the next bed in hospital, or being placed in a small enclosed space in a sleeper carriage with a man. I can’t see what surgery he’s had. I only see a male body and have to deal with the additional uneasiness that would inevitably cause.

Take that further, to those in rape crisis or DV shelters and it’s positively inhumane.

[JellyfishandShells]

was happy to go along with

That’s the thing that annoys Jane - that dangerous erosions of women’s safety were being ushered in quietly without real examination and now a light has been shone on this.

[Aesopfable]

Is Jane Fae fully transitioned?

Do you mean have they put on a dress, shaved, grown their hair long and had some (albeit extreme) cosmetic surgery? Not sure what that ‘transitions’ you to other than a Male in a dress with long hair and cosmetic surgery.

[FreeKitties]

Iran is renowned for its trans friendly policies - off you pop Jane.

The sheer fucking audacity of JF complaining that they feel ‘unsafe’, what about the women you make feel unsafe ? Or do they not count because they don’t have male privilege?