Munroe Bergdorf makes George Floyd/Black Lives Matter all about Munroe Bergdorf

[GiantKitten]

What MB was cancelled for was not what this is all about, was it?

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1267460238678069249?s=20

Yeah, I can see that. Can you recall the names of the Marxist writers you mention? Would be interested to go exploring.

You could try Amin Maalouf, or Adolph Reed. If you follow along from their notes you will find a lot of interesting stuff.

It could be seen as goady but MB isn't the only one saying it, they have a right to say it and not get dropped, and it's something a lot of people need to listen to imo. I agree with MB in this case

It was goady. She can say what she wants but she has no right not to be dropped by L'Oréal.

Thanks Goose, have added to the googling list. And on rereading I've spotted my "yeah, I can see that" could have been interpreted with a dodgy tone; apologies if you took it that way; meant it as an expression of wholehearted agreement.

"White Privilige" is offensive American bollocks. An absence of social disadvantage is not a privilige, it is everyone's right.

No it's not. The capacity to go about your business without being shot by police etc is a privilege the American system affords to certain ethnicities and denies others.

One of these days we really do need to have a more general discussion about what the "rights" construct really means in practice.

"White Privilige" is offensive American bollocks. An absence of social disadvantage is not a privilige, it is everyone's right.

Really? I do argue on social media whenever people bring up racism, and i do think people take it overboard, but ask yourself this, would you rather be white or black in the USA?

To me the answer is clear, and I think that says it all.

The capacity to go about your business without being shot by police etc is not a privilege. It is everyone's right.

See ECHR, UNUDHR, etc.

"I'm so bored with the USA" - J Strummer

The thing is, most of what this person has said is true, but when they tweeted it, they weren't angry at other black people being killed by white people, they were angry at bring dropped from an ad for saying something offensive.

Jesus this thread needs zapping.

The racism is astounding.

Ugly the whole threads needs zapping, or individual posts? Not sure what you're saying really because you haven't offered an opinion on the OP yet.

It was goady. She can say what she wants but she has no right not to be dropped by L'Oréal.

If they're now all BLM then I think it's hypocritical.

It was goady. She can say what she wants but she has no right not to be dropped by L'Oréal.

But then it is shit of Loreal to use the very thing they dropped Munroe for, to score virtue signalling points later down the line.

Give your head a fucking shake, the state of it

Are you denying the existence of slaves in Africa? Of the top 10 list of countries who have a modern day slave trade 5 are in Africa.

10 countries with the highest prevalence of modern slavery are

North Korea,Eritrea,
Burundi,the Central African Republic,Afghanistan,Mauritania,South Sudan,Pakistan, Cambodia. Iran

www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/regional-analysis/africa/

On any given day in 2016, an estimated 9.2 million men, women, and children were living in modern slavery in Africa. The region has the highest rate of prevalence, with 7.6 people living in modern slavery for every 1,000 people in the region

The histories of black people being in the US and being in the UK are very different. That difference is being blurred more and more and I think it harms race relations in the UK.

@DidoLamenting

No I don't deny any of that. I didn't know anything but I know where you have deprivation you have horror so it doesn't surprise me.

Here's my question though. What is your point? In a discussion about the oppression of people of colour in Western society what exactly is that point of this comment?

Who are those slaves? Who is benefiting from the horror in Africa? Tell me about the history of the DRC and Jamaica, tell me about Patrice Lambumba.

Then try and tell me the people who are saying "the Slave Trade was started by Africans and ended by the Royal Navy" aren't racist cunts but don't expect me to change my mind.

So ALL white people are the problem? What a racist thing to say.

This and the rest of the post it comes from show exactly why MB's statement was unhelpful generally, as this is the response it gets.

Here's my question though. What is your point? In a discussion about the oppression of people of colour in Western society what exactly is that point of this comment?

You posted a comment suggesting another poster was mistaken about the existence of slavery in Africa. Are you happy to ignore or even deny the oppression of people of colour as long as it's done by people of colour?

I think Bergdorf's comments which got her sacked were inflammatory and ill- judged and she deserved to be sacked.

And the Royal Navy didn’t end it for benevolent reasons. Britain’s manufacturing was miles ahead and this was intended to dry up the competition.

This and the rest of the post it comes from show exactly why MB's statement was unhelpful generally, as this is the response it gets

Do you think that poster cares what way it is phrased? I may be lost but isn't this the forum where people are usually decrying the moderation of language when talking about oppression?

Who is benefiting from the horror in Africa?

At a guess I'd say the despotic black rulers in the 5 countries listed.

But black people enslave black people is no different to people who say but black people kill black people

You posted a comment suggesting another poster was mistaken about the existence of slavery in Africa.

That wasn't what I implied although it may have been what you inferred

Are you happy to ignore or even deny the oppression of people of colour as long as it's done by people of colour?

These are MRA tactics. What are you talking about? Why am I ignoring or denying anything? Are you off campaigning against slavery in Africa this weekend or are you just using it as a convenient way to score points on the internet? Yes or no will do.

Please answer this question. Why did you go and Google modern day slavery in Africa in a discussion about institutional racism in the west? What does one thing have to do the other?

I think Bergdorf's comments which got her sacked were inflammatory and ill- judged and she deserved to be sacked

Imagine my surprise.

@DidoLamenting

You may want to do a cursory Google of some of those countries, their history and resources.

Is there a term yet for what firms like L'Oreal are doing now, where they're using the language of anti racism to sell mascara? That's what Bergdorf is really angry about, the hypocrisy of them sacking Bergdorf for saying basically the same things they're pretending to believe now.

I'm thinking a term like greenwashing, but for firms or organizations that are suddenly pretending to care about racism. Another more stark example would be the way multiple police forces in the US have been taking the knee with protestors or hugging them for photo ops and then firing rubber bullets and tear gas canisters at them a few hours later. It's the fact that it's not just dishonest, it's performative dishonesty designed to benefit the public image of the group being dishonest, that grates.

It’s a race to the narcissistic, hypocritical bottom.

L’Oréal are hypocritical for narcissistically posting about race to earn themselves credit and Bergdorf is right to call it out.

But Bergdorf’s tweets don’t mention George Floyd at all. It’s all about them and L’Oréal, with Bergdorf’s own history of appropriation.

They should all just STFU really.