Munroe Bergdorf makes George Floyd/Black Lives Matter all about Munroe Bergdorf

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What MB was cancelled for was not what this is all about, was it?

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I don't have a lot of time for corporate jumping on to causes in general, but isn't that part of the problem? Companies are almost expected to do so, but it creates all of these hypocrisies.

But whether you are a company or an individual, there has to be a gulf between supporting a group like BLM or having serious concerns about police brutality, and being ok with your representative saying that all white people (including your customers) inherit racism in their DNA and are the cause of all oppression through history.

There s not some kind of contradiction between supporting one and not the other.

I’m ashamed that this thread was even started. Some of you need to pull your heads out of your arses.

MB tells white people that they cannot possibly understand what life is like as a black person, and they are right. And yet that is exactly what Munroe has done to women. And not only has Munroe done it to women, Munroe has then preached to women that they are the ones doing womaning and feminism wrong. Can you imagine a white person painting their face black and then acting in all manner of stereotypical ways, and then telling Munroe that they are just as a legitimate voice for black people as Munroe is? It would be fucking outrageous! I am just totally astonished that no one see the hypocrisy

This is the best post.

And L'Oreal are perfectly entitled to decide they don't want to work with MB because they don't want to antagonise their customer base.

Yes they are. What they are not entitled to do is effectively repeat what MB said a couple of years further down the line when suddenly its 'fashionable' and will get them some virtue points for the brand.

It's disgusting actually.

I’m ashamed that this thread was even started. Some of you need to pull your heads out of your arses.

Why are you ashamed?

What have you done?

L'oreal are suddenly parroting the speaking about privilege spiel because it's fashionable, having jettisoned MB for inelegantly talking about it when it was less likely to add coin to the L'oreal coffers.

Surely, this shouldn't be surprising. Do people really think corporations, or other people for that matter, actually believe in the spiels around inclusivity and privilege etc? Some might do, but the vast swathes of memes and social media posts are not because people are expressing their heartfelt noble virtues, but because it's fashionable and there's social currency among your peers to be 'seen' joining in and saying certain things.

Yeah MB is right about this, and isn't being goady, just saying how it is with an edge of anger---which they are entitled to. As someone noted above, men try to undermine/silence women by criticising their anger. Let's not do the same.

On other matters I don't agree with or care for MB at all. But on this, they are right and the cancelling was cos we don't want to hear the truth about racism.

I'll reserve the right to agree with MB that it's total self serving hypocrisy, though.

What do you expect from a multinational corporation whose entire purpose in life is to make money from women by selling them stuff they don't need? If there's any hypocrisy at all, it's coming from someone who claims to have progressive views aligning themselves with a deeply nasty industry built on exploitation. As a PP mentioned, L'Oreal sells skin lightening products. MB was all too ready to take their money, though.

Do people really think corporations, or other people for that matter, actually believe in the spiels around inclusivity and privilege etc?

This has just reminded me of that arse clenchingly excruciating Pepsi advert with Kendall Jenner, eeeeeek!

I can see where MB is coming from with that quote. It's more of an angry lash out than an argument designed to move anything forward.

Put it in a feminist context, the equivalent would be "all men benefit from male violence, so all men are violent". I don't think that's true, and it only would only put men on the defensive.

I am just totally astonished that no one see the hypocrisy, but that is a different issue I guess.

No one else? Lots and lots of us do see it.

As someone noted above, men try to undermine/silence women by criticising their anger.

Yeah. And (as someone else noted above) MB does that.

"..it because you're worth shit.."

being ok with your representative saying that all white people (including your customers) inherit racism in their DNA and are the cause of all oppression through history.

I'm glad you phrased it like this. It helps to make sense of what a PP pointed out re: the hypocrisy of MB's claim to womanhood.

I'll probably explain this badly so apologies in advance.

So far as I'm aware, the concept of race was basically invented as a mechanism to justify the subjugation and exploitation of certain subsets of the human race. The biology it's rooted in is skin colour, which varies as a result of historic latitude and only affects an individual male's propensity to brutality as a result of structural backing or lack thereof.

The concept of gender works in much the same way.

Which suggests to me that MB views race and gender in the same way, ie as an innate, inborn quality/feature/psychological aspect rather than an externally-imposed mechanism of control.

One of my problems with that line of thinking is that it collapses all of Africa into a single race, when there's a damned sight more genetic diversity in that one continent than in the entire rest of the world.

I’m ashamed of the Feminism section this website. That some posters see everything through the filter of trans issues to the extent that they’re blind to everything else.

Munroe does have form for saying and doing stupid stuff though.

They were dropped by the NSPCC as an ambassador after it became apparently that Munroe had absolutely zero knowledge of safeguarding, as shown by the fact they were inviting kids to private message them on social media, which is obviously a huge no no when it comes to safeguarding. Obviously the sacking was then said to be 'transphobic' but that's by the by.

Munroe is also on record as saying that an 11 year old boy dancing on stage while adults throw money at him in a gay nightclub in the middle of the night is 'completely normal'.

But on this Munroe is right I think.

Thanks for your valuable contribution, Glowcat.

@JoeExoticsEyebrowRing

And L'Oreal are perfectly entitled to decide they don't want to work with MB because they don't want to antagonise their customer base.

Yes they are. What they are not entitled to do is effectively repeat what MB said a couple of years further down the line when suddenly its 'fashionable' and will get them some virtue points for the brand.

It's disgusting actually.

Well put.

Loreal were right to drop someone who made incredibly homophobic remarks and encouraged young people to DM them thats massive safeguarding issue.

And as for telling women thet couldnt talk about their reproductive rights and their bodies as its exclusionary there are no words to describe how offensive that is.

They may be right about the racism. I cant disagree that but let's not pretend that was the only thing they said that got them dropped..

The person who hired MB was also fired for inappropriate behaviour/safeguarding breech

@JoeExoticsEyebrowRing

And L'Oreal are perfectly entitled to decide they don't want to work with MB because they don't want to antagonise their customer base.

Yes they are. What they are not entitled to do is effectively repeat what MB said a couple of years further down the line when suddenly its 'fashionable' and will get them some virtue points for the brand.

It's disgusting actually.

Yes

Am surprised at the number of people on here who expect large corporates selling skincare products to be beacons of virtue.

People seem to be more shocked at L'Oreal making virtue-signalling comments about race than they are about L'Oreal selling skin lightening products to black women.

Thats quite a leap royal

Has any poster said they are surprised

Most have said they can see why MB is pissed off

Well said, RoyalCorgi.

Loreal were right to drop someone who made incredibly homophobic remarks and encouraged young people to DM them thats massive safeguarding issue.

That's not why Loreal dropped Munroe. The DMing kids thing was why they got dropped from the NSPCC.

Loreal said they dropped Munroe for comments that Loreal are now effectively supporting. Munroe is entitled to be angry about this.