Hungary votes to end legal recognition of transgender people

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The amendment would recognize “sex at birth,” making it impossible to change ones gender throughout the course of their life.

On the proposed draft law, Human Rights Watch wrote:

The proposed amendment to the Registry Act would include a clarification regarding the word “nem,” which in Hungarian can mean both “sex” and “gender,” to specifically refer to the sex at birth (“szuletesi nem”) as “biological sex based on primary sex characteristics and chromosomes.” According to the draft bill, the birth sex, once recorded, cannot be amended.

It's the correct vote, but this government is otherwise authoritarian, neo-fascist, against minorities, pretty awful.

Apparently the TRA's are already planning a legal challenge in the European Court of Human Rights on the basis that the new law violates European human rights case law...

This thread isn't actually about general risk management. It's about women's rights.

The reduction in the availability to females of single sex spaces (...) are constantly discussed on these boards.

Yes, I agree, perhaps it's just me, but I hadn't linked that the purpose of the law (even though I think it's there, in the act), was to allow full participation in public life. I'd looked at the reasons, I'd read the law, but never actually linked the two sentences, so it was a bit of a moment for me to see it put simply like that.

Like surely we shouldn't ever let our kids play with dogs because we don't know which ones might suddenly snap.

Sorry - which argument are you saying this in support of? Because no, you shouldn't let kids play with strange dogs, and even family dogs only under supervision, especially if the dogs or children are young.

My MIL's dog is soppy as hell, an overdramatic little actor who hyperventilates if his bowl is moved - MIL still wouldn't leave grandchildren playing alone with him, because he's a dog, and dogs can snap and kids can do things that can provoke it without knowing.

Anyway, does anyone know what post or line of thought sufficiently scared people enough to want to derail the thread?

Well, this was one of the more unique attempts at derailing I've seen...

Next up, knitting needles! Those could take someone's eye out, so why do feminists never talk about risk assessing a trip to granny's house?

I particularly loved someones claim theybeete of ignoring questions whilst ignoring the fact they have been asked several times about how medical care can be provided when records are false..

They were

Stupid phone

The ones who want to share them don't consider themselves men so don't see it as invading

Really? Because what about the ones who are fully aware they are men and invade female spaces because they get sexually aroused by it? Or those men that simply want to assert power over females. Or the predators who will take advantage of males being allowed into female only spaces?

The notion that all males who claim womanhood are automatically benign is ridiculous. They are just as likely as any other male to be a threat.

Women's toilets were created so that women could participate fully in public life.

www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

Posters turning up in shifts?
Is this a take on the Russian bot usual claim or different time zone or must all be mates clocking on or off?
Heaven forbid there's more than one dissenting voice

sterling overnight effort from Wotcha's Gotchas, though, I feel.

Nah, wotcha was always quite vocal about how they disliked being forcibly made to talk about trans issues...

Although wotcha did disappear after their previous protestations of being duped into trans discussions, maybe they are still trapped in a thread somewhere

Actually it's not name changing in order to find new women to goad, it's name changing in order to trick women who are familiar with your MO into engaging with you again, so that you can goad them more effectively.

If a person has a operation to graft a horse's tail onto their arse does that person become a horse?

I bridled when I read that!

(..and don't get me started on the person who has been grooming me.)

Legal documents should not be allowed to be altered.

I've never understood why this is allowed. On all other legal documents, you don't (as far as I know) change the actual document, you add an addendum that corrects it. But the original document stands.

I also don't understand the idea that you can change sex either. Be whatever gender you want, call yourself what you want and even change your external physical characteristics if you must - that's your choice. But you can't change your DNA or what sex you were when you were born.

The ones who want to share them don't consider themselves men so don't see it as invading

They know full well they're not women or girls, or they would be baffled as to why women object. They're not baffled, they're angry.

Also it doesn't matter whether or not they see themselves as invading. They are invading.

why do feminists never talk about risk assessing a trip to granny's house?

I thought the risk there was wolves dressed as helpless old women.
^^

I've never understood why this is allowed.

Homophobia. Some people were so appalled at the idea of same-sex marriage that they thought it was preferable to falsify the birth record to make it appear that a man marrying a transwoman was an opposite sex marriage.

The main reason for the GRA in the UK was so that such a marriage could take place. Now that we have same-sex marriage the GRA serves no useful purpose and should be repealed.

Now that we have same-sex marriage the GRA serves no useful purpose and should be repealed.

This makes sense. Otherwise the only purpose of a GRA is to 'insist' that you've changed gender.

The ones who want to share them don't consider themselves men so don't see it as invading

They are recognised as men though. Problem.