Young women don't know what a woman is

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This is absolutely staggering.

The latest poll commissioned by Wings over Scotland on the subject of self-ID, finds that all demographics in their majority believe a woman is an adult human female.

Except young women.

"The 16-34 female demographic actually voted by a narrow six-point majority that a person’s sex has absolutely nothing to do with biology. Even the next-closest group (young men) was a staggering FORTY points adrift from that view (net -34), and middle-aged women were close behind them at a net -36. Among women over 55 the margin against self-ID was a crushing 62 points (over 4:1 against), with older men at a breathtaking 10:1."

wingsoverscotland.com/abolishing-women/

They just know they aren't likely to ever have to actually 'walk the walk' in this way.

Exactly, 'TWAW' doesn't have any downsides for them and plenty of upsides, so even if they dont literally believe it, it's in their interests to pretend they do. Very similar to the young women, they dont understand/ accept yet the damage TWAW causes to women.

They just know they aren't likely to ever have to actually 'walk the walk' in this way

And sadly they just don’t care about the women it will affect the most.

Homeless women at risk from violent men in shelters
Women fleeing DV who are scared to go to a refuge as there are men there
Women imprisoned with violent Male sex offenders
Women who lose their awards and medals and sports scholarships to men
Women in care homes who have to accept personal care from Male staff
Girls who stay off school because they don’t want to change for PE with boys or use unisex toilets during their period.

I used to know a young woman who would share things on Facebook along the lines of it's ok for boys to play with dolls etc. Yet then saw no irony in posting TWAW

I've found this is really very common.

I'm not sure that it started this way, but more recently I've found that many of them have an (usually very vague and not thought out) idea that young kids shouldn't be pushed to be gender conforming because it's ok to be non-gender conforming, but they see that a kid doing a lot of that is "revealing" their real gender.

Reminds me of this article on luxury beliefs

quillette.com/2019/11/16/thorstein-veblens-theory-of-the-leisure-class-a-status-update/

On campus, I realized that luxury beliefs have become fashionable status symbols. Luxury beliefs are ideas and opinions that confer status on the rich at very little cost, while taking a toll on the lower class

You're right, Goosefoot. There can be a lot of superficial understanding among some of the young women about gender. They see and hear that it's ok to be gender non-conforming so they agree with it, but don't seem to have thought deeply about why it's ok or how enforcing gender roles and stereotypes can be problematic. So then it's easy to rationalise gender identity and not see the issue in celebrating that a little boy who loves pink and dolls should be marched to the nearest gender identity clinic and given hormones / surgery to 'become a girl'.

0DETTE luxury beliefs is a great term. Thanks for sharing that article.

It must be very confusing to be a gender non confirming child in a world where we have such strict gender roles. Then add in schools telling them they can magically change gender if they want to - you've just created a massive head fuck for the child.

Just because you in your home bubble you tell your son that dolls and princess dresses are OK - that doesn't mean the world outside will accept it, the world may even tell him he is a girl. Now somthing that was harmless fun and letting him express himself has turned into confusion about his gender identity, maybe his sexualality - and add in the Futher complexity that a gender non conforming kid may still be picked on by a trans kid is brave and stunning and admired and protected.

It's sad, but in this current climate I think to save confusion it probably is better to try and keep some gender conformity when rasing children. I would let my children play with what they want and have whatever hobbies they want. But I would draw the line at cross sex dressing, or I at least wouldn't encourage it, especially not for a boy. It's just too dangerous, you could be starting your child on a journey that leads to mutilation and a lifetime of drugs.

Previously children who didn’t ‘for the role’ were generally disappointed, frustrated... maybe some told they could challenge these ‘roles’ by family and teachers.

They were not told that they were, in fact, in some way ‘broken’ in that they were in the wrong body and this could be ‘mended’. Why has this become the default position - it certainly wasn’t when I was a kid, or even when DS was little.

0DETTE luxury beliefs is a great term. Thanks for sharing that article.

Yes, very interesting. I hadn't come across that concept before.

I always found that society was really accepting of gender non conforming girls. They appeared in TV and litirture. It certainly wasn't seen as strange to be a tomboy. I know gender non conforming boys have been less accepted because they challenge masculinity. But I would have though overtime we would have come to accept different types of males too. Like we had accepted different types of women.

But it seems to have gone the other way. We only seem to see hyper femenine characters on TV and tell boys and girls if they don't fit the ideals of masculinity and femininity then they must have been born in the wrong body.

I don't understand stand why there has been this push. Why we are regressing.
I'm sat here trying to think of gender non conforming characters and I can't. Even hollyoaks that usually has a few more varied gay women doesn't anymore. The only gay female characters are bi and very feminine. The only gender non conforming man has become a drag act - they also hinted he may be trans as well. (yes I watch hollyoaks don't judge me). Did Harry Potter have any tomboys? The only real presenters who aren't super groomed super feminine are older. We see lots of camp gay men but I wouldn't call them gender conforming. Popstars? Can't think of any other than Sam Smith who was more George Micheal than Boy George, and they are a they now. There is a boy that fronts a band, young blood but he's the only person I can think of and not exactly mainstream.