Young women don't know what a woman is

[BlackForestCake]

This is absolutely staggering.

The latest poll commissioned by Wings over Scotland on the subject of self-ID, finds that all demographics in their majority believe a woman is an adult human female.

Except young women.

"The 16-34 female demographic actually voted by a narrow six-point majority that a person’s sex has absolutely nothing to do with biology. Even the next-closest group (young men) was a staggering FORTY points adrift from that view (net -34), and middle-aged women were close behind them at a net -36. Among women over 55 the margin against self-ID was a crushing 62 points (over 4:1 against), with older men at a breathtaking 10:1."

wingsoverscotland.com/abolishing-women/

The other problem I have with the "Born I the Wrong Body" narrative is that a child can choose to be chemically and then surgically sterilised and take hormones to radically alter their appearance but they will still never be in the "Right Body". So the whole concept is a myth anyway.

This.

If I developed an internal dialogue I'd consult a psychiatrist, as a dialogue involves more than one person.

The other problem I have with the "Born I the Wrong Body" narrative is that a child can choose to be chemically and then surgically sterilised and take hormones to radically alter their appearance but they will still never be in the "Right Body". So the whole concept is a myth anyway.

Yep. There's something deeply cruel about promising unattainable results to children who haven't achieved the level of cognitive development that would allow them to recognize that what they're being promised isn't possible yet.

A certain poster has been able to represent a comment made by someone else as an attack on/criticism of themselves and has been using it as a stick to beat anyone on this thread who tries to advance the discussion. This seems to be easier to see for those of us who have avoided getting caught up in the derail.

I've got to say though, it's been a very effective tactic. So hats off for that.

I'd suggest that when people notice a pattern like that a quick search of the poster's username and a glance at previous threads might make the pattern and it's consistency clearer.

Well I could say the same about many of you. Apparently, only people who agree with you are allowed to post. Anyone with a difference of opinion should be silenced according to many of you on here.

I know it's not an answer for everyone. I've acknowledged that. But also "just learn to accept your lot" isn't the right answer for everyone.

But if nothing can be done, why would you not learn to accept your body and adapt your life accordingly? What is to be gained from being angry and resentful about your imperfect body if nothing can be done about it? If you have no legs, isn't it better to adapt to life with prosthetic limbs or using a wheelchair rather than refusing to accept your condition and being constantly angry about the way you were born?

That's why I'm against a blanket policy that applies to everyone. I truly believe that these are decisions to be taken between the patient, their Dr, and where applicable the parents. I know you don't agree.

I do agree. I have no idea why you think I wouldn't. If there is treatment available obviously that is the way to proceed, and how things normally do proceed. I don't understand why you're suggesting that I was talking about a blanket policy that applies to everyone when I've just pointed out to you that every situation is not like yours.

your body doesn't correlate with your internal dialogue.

What on earth do you mean?

I thought it meant you liked pink, glittery things?

That was a joke, btw. Your biological sex is what determines whether you're a man or a woman, not the feelings in your head.

Or the extra people on your head who you're apparently meant to be having a dialogue with.

what they're being promised isn't possible yet.

Not 'yet'.

What they're being promised isn't possible, full stop.

They are being promised a lie. Any child can tell them.

You're misreading that sentence. My point was that children are not yet able to fully understand that just because an adult tells them that changing sex is possible that doesn't mean it's true.

I can't recall who coined the word 'merailing'.

I've got to say though, it's been a very effective tactic. So hats off for that.

I feel like I have to apologise for providing the comment which was used for this. Both me and other people pointed out it was being misinterpreted, subsequent to that being ignored it was obviously a deliberate misinterpretation designed to prevent actual discussion.

It's not your fault, testing. If it wasn't your comment another would have been found.

Ah, I see.

'haven't yet achieved the level of cognitive development that would allow them to recognize that what they're being promised isn't possible'.

Yes.

If you have no legs, isn't it better to adapt to life with prosthetic limbs or using a wheelchair rather than refusing to accept your condition and being constantly angry about the way you were born?

If you are using prosthetic limbs then you aren't just accepting it are you? You're using prosthetics, not just having counselling to learn to accept life without legs.

Children are being offered a 'cure' for a problem they weren't aware they had.

First we tell them that the way they behave and the things that they like dont match the behaviour and things that they are supposed to like because of the body they were born in.

Then we tell them its OK because we can change your body so it's a bit more like the body type that likes the things you like.

If it wasn't your comment another would have been found

As if by magic...

Whereas we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong. It seemed to work relatively well in the 70s and 80s. If people persist in haranguing the child in an attempt to make them more gender conforming then that's bullying and should be dealt with as such.

If you are using prosthetic limbs then you aren't just accepting it are you? You're using prosthetics, not just having counselling to learn to accept life without legs.

Yes, this is what acceptance looks like. Accept that you have no legs. Adapt to life using prosthetics.

You have an immense talent for misinterpreting and misunderstanding what others are saying.

Whereas we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong

Exactly so. My son is 7 and we are starting to get the 'but pink is for girls' type of thing starting. Hes getting the 'it's just a colour/toy/whatever thing and you can wear/play/use it if you want' response.

we could just tell them that it's fine to have whatever interests they have and if other people tell them that girls/boys don't like that particular thing then those people are wrong

Well, Dragon's Den isn't going to go for it as a marketing plan, tho.