Young women don't know what a woman is

[BlackForestCake]

This is absolutely staggering.

The latest poll commissioned by Wings over Scotland on the subject of self-ID, finds that all demographics in their majority believe a woman is an adult human female.

Except young women.

"The 16-34 female demographic actually voted by a narrow six-point majority that a person’s sex has absolutely nothing to do with biology. Even the next-closest group (young men) was a staggering FORTY points adrift from that view (net -34), and middle-aged women were close behind them at a net -36. Among women over 55 the margin against self-ID was a crushing 62 points (over 4:1 against), with older men at a breathtaking 10:1."

wingsoverscotland.com/abolishing-women/

I keep reading about how it’s what’s inside that makes you a woman etc. I don’t believe what is inside is what made me a target for rape.

It's a variation on Goebbels big lie. The truth of the assertion is irrelevant, all that you need to do is to spread misunderstanding.

How does this explain girl fetuses being aborted or girl babies murdered at birth? FGM. Girls being married off to (well anyone really) old men at liberty (or earlier). Girls receiving less education than boys. God I could go on. All biology based - nothing to do with feelings.

Sorry, but I don't believe that children are being encouraged to have a gender identity. Who is it that is encouraging them to have this?

You've been posting on here for quite a while so I thought you understood what these discussions were about. I'm really surprised that you have so little understanding about what's been going on.

Old thread about the gender unicorn. There's also a genderbread person which is similar.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3109333-What-do-you-think-of-the-Gender-Unicorn

There are many more threads on here about children being taught about gender identity. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of them.

Lord paw

You see l you don't know how those aborted children would have identified so how can you possibly say that their being female was the reason...they might have been half of them identifying as boys.

Although the more sharp witted might notice a certain trend around a certain set of chromosomes and the abortions.....

Silly me.

Wow op, you sound very narcissistic. Do you not realise that people have opinions that differ from you. This is the exact reason why noone has time for feminists. It's the typical rude and angry behaviour from people like you. Feminism could be so popular amongst our newest generation if the angry sexist feminists like yourself weren't part of it. It's the exact typical behavior that puts everyone off. Yes I would love to vote for women's rights, yes I would love women everywhere to be strong and independent women but not while bashing every member of the male race. Just stop with the hate all the time. And yes you can be a feminist and a nice human being if you try. And please op, remember there are many feminists who strong believe(know) that human beings born with male genetilia can transition into a woman, please re-educate yourself, you are making yourself sound stupid.

End of.

scrimpshaw

Well

Thats the thread over...

Or not

I’ll go with not

Rolling my eyes at the poster who repeatedly comes onto threads to rant incoherently about feminism hoping to derail the thread...

ANYway.
The Wings survey, did it clarify/resolve the circularity in the woman is 'anyone who says they are a woman' statement? Anyone who says they are a what then?

I’ll go with not

I'm off to be nice in my nice feminist pyjamas. They have cats on them.

Night, all.

Hooves, binterested understood the point perfectly well.

No-one sane would say children with disabilities should accept them and suffer with no medical interventions. That's not what accepting the body you have means.

It was the concept that no-one would tell a child with disabilities that they were born in the wrong body, they simply have to cope the best they can.

"Transgender" children are being told that their feelings of discomfort are due to "the wrong body". Rather than being given therapy to help them come to terms with the body they have, people are encouraging them to believe they need medication and surgery.

I hope you can see the difference.

there are many feminists who strong believe(know) that human beings born with male genetilia can transition into a woman...you are making yourself sound stupid.

Honestly, there a point at which the farce just writes itself. 🤣

When I was young I didn't see the need for feminism. I thought the fight was won, at school, girls out performed boys if anything. I just wanted a boyfriend and to have fun. I wanted to be a cool girl and be liked. By the time I was 30 I was beginning to see what was going on.

Young people are just so malleable and gullible. I'm not surprised the young women and girls voted like that. They've been Stonewalled at school and this fight is their righteous battle young people want to rebel against their parents and change the world. It also gives them a choice of tribe.

In my day we were goths or Indy kids. We wore Greenpeace badges and wanted Nelson Mandela free. Fortunately for us we were unlikely to mutilate ourselves for our identity, except the odd piercing. No surgery involved.

Feminists could be so popular if they would just stop feministing.

FFS educate yourselves 🤪

And please op, remember there are many feminists who strong believe(know) that human beings born with male genetilia can transition into a woman, please re-educate yourself, you are making yourself sound stupid.

I'll just let that stand. Ladies, please re-educate yourselves. And don't forget to #bekind.

Young people are just so malleable and gullible. ^

I'm not surprised the young women and girls voted like that. They've been Stonewalled at school and this fight is their righteous battle young people want to rebel against their parents and change the world. It also gives them a choice of tribe.

In my day we were goths or Indy kids. We wore Greenpeace badges and wanted Nelson Mandela free. Fortunately for us we were unlikely to mutilate ourselves for our identity, except the odd piercing. No surgery involved.

In my day, earlier than yours, it was a rebellion against The Entire System, which we thought we could overthrow by opting out, going off to live in communal farms, and wearing flowers in our hair. Many of us actually did those things -- I did too. We lectured our parents about how the world is going to change so very radically and The Entire System was going to fall apart because We Knew Better. We tried to educate those stick-in-the-mud oldies.

For me, it all lasted a couple of years. They were wonderful years, involving a lot of backpacking around the world and great music. I camped out at Macchu Piccu and did the Hippie Trail to India. Young men were gentle and played guitar and had long hair, much longer than mine. And we didn't have mobile phones, we didn't take photos of ourselves all the time, and everything was in cash.

I look back fondly to those days. It was all so benign, and there were no bodies mutilated in the process. We didn't even get tattoos or piercings -- that came much later.

Young people (some) need to rebel, to go against the grain. They need to feel that They Know Better (see quote above); it's an ego-affirming way to establish dominance over one's elders.

It's all rather silly. One day they do most of them wake up. Hopefully before too much damage has done.

This is the first trend I've seen that does cause irreversible damage to kids. The sooner it passes, the better.

Yes, young people wanting to rebel and bring down The System isn't anything new and I wouldn't care much for gender identity ideology if it stayed in the realm of harmless posturing the way many other youth movements have been in decades past. People being idealistic and hopeful and experimenting with (sometimes wacky) concepts; some doing it for the thrill of shocking their elders.

When I initially came across all the Queer Theory and gender identity nonsense, I thought it was like the usual harmless subcultures that emerge and fall periodically. Young people, especially women, calling themselves non-binary or agender or trans masculine or whatever. If it was just people trying to make themselves look 'cool' with a new haircut and some snazzy lingo, most people wouldn't care.

But it's turned into insidious propaganda - being peddled by all sorts of organisations, including the public sector. Children are subjected to this in schools - being told they could be born in the wrong body and there are a hundred genders to choose from, it's being pushed in our homes via TV programmes, newspapers and other media insinuating that people can magically change sex or are randomly 'assigned' one when born... There's a well-funded, systematic campaign to enforce this social engineering and turning refusal and dissent into hate crimes. Interference with legislation and public policy, usually on the sly with little or no public awareness and scrutiny.
Young women claiming to be non-binary (which is a type of trans but not trans... ) but still wanting access to hormones and even mastectomies.
Claims of how non-binary people are so oppressed and marginalised that they need to be acknowledged in the census and other areas of life as a distinct, oppressed category. 🙄

I hope as more legal challenges come forward and public and private organisations start to back peddle on the propaganda they've been trained to disseminate, that this ideology will lose its appeal.

If an adult wants to have any kind of surgery to alter their body and make it better fit their self-image, that's up to them. I can be critical of the reasons behind it, but it's their choice.

However, they should be the ones to pay for it. And a male altering his body to resemble a woman's doesn't magically become a woman, any more than the people who want to look like lizards or cats become those creatures.

The womanly brain and/or soul stuff is insulting nonsense and always reminds me of articles I've read by Victorian doctors. Ladybrains can't cope with things like higher education. Or reading novels.

Curious Did the poll ask a similar question about men? And if so, were similar results returned by the different groups in their understanding of what a man was? Most particularly, how did that young female group describe them - did they think that sex had nothing to do with biology for defining men too?

Because if there is a difference I’d love to know how they justify their holding of two conflicting positions!

No-one sane would say children with disabilities should accept them and suffer with no medical interventions.

But that's they thing. They are told to accept themselves and get on with their lives. We can't magically change someone that is disabled into an able bodied person. We can try and help them, but most the time they have to accept their disabilities.

A blind child can't identify themselves into having vison. A deaf child can't will themselves hearing. A child with downs syndrome can't transition themselves into having the correct chromosomes. A boy that wants to be a girl can never become one.

So a deaf child, who could hear with a cochlear implant, shouldn't have it because they should just accept their disability? I should have just accepted my mobility disappearing, rather than having surgery to keep me walking? Children with scoliosis shouldn't have surgery to stabilise their spines but should just become more and more disabled, maybe die? All of these children shouldn't have medical interventions, if they want them, but should have therapy to help them accept their bodies?

This actually all scares me a lot.

I've always been a bit of a rock chick and don't dress super girly.

Recently, now dd hair is longer, I started putting her in her brothers old clothes. I find the girls clothes too sickly sweet and she's a bit of a bruiser so they don't actually suit her.

But there's a little part of me that worries that if she gets accustomed to wearing boys clothes, when she starts school they start telling her she is a boy.

So people are arguing that a child born, say with a hole in the heart - having (life saving) surgery is exactly the same as a girl who thinks ‘I feel like a boy’ and starts the medication route to cosmetic surgery? God help anorexics then on this basis.

Helloooooo? Has the world gone mad?