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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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TinselAngel · 10/10/2020 16:09

[quote QuinnMovesOn]@southernTW, I hope you're holding up okay in this. I saw your comment about your spouse's timeline. Just please be ready for that to change with zero notice. My ex said he would come out to the world in ten months, that turned into "no, I'm doing this in three days" with no warning.[/quote]
The benefit of when they do that, (which they invariably do) is it makes you feel better about having ended the relationship.

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SouthernTW · 11/10/2020 05:11

I'm assuming he will be all over the map. Right now he says he doesn't even know if he wants to have hormones. Yeah, I give that a few weeks after he moves out. Once he gets to be on his own full time and be constantly pushed by his cheerleader therapist and all his online trans friends, I know all bets are off. I just want him gone at this point, so my kids and I can start to rebuild a life.

For those who have kids, what all do you tell them? Daddy has lost his mind? I am a firm believer in science and sex is an immutable biological trait, I'm not planning to go along with some wishy-washy "Daddy is now a woman trapped in his body" or whatever nonsense he intends to tell them.

soon2Bsingle · 11/10/2020 06:14

SouthernTW I feel like we are in such similar places! My husband told me about 1.5 years ago he thought he was trans. It's been a flood of tears, fights and therapy since then. I set limits as we live in a fairly conservative place, homeschool, live in a smallish town, etc. He finally told me a couple of months ago that he can't abide by my boundaries of what it's OK for him to do/not do. He also said he couldn't work on our marriage because he needed to spend all of his time figuring himself out.

I'm working on getting a divorce, studying for the CFP exam and finding a job... a big change since I've been home with the kids for more than a decade. As soon as the divorce is final, I hope to find a home in a neighborhood near friends.. something I've dreamed about for a long time.

I know I will be so much happier without him, but I'm having a sad moment tonight. 16 years of marriage is a long time. It's rough on the kids... they are 13, 11 and 8. We told them we were getting divorced, but my oldest told me later she had to explain what divorce is to the youngest - apparently he wasn't sure what the word meant. Life feels so broken right now.

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SouthernTW · 11/10/2020 18:43

I am so sorry, soon2B. It's exactly right. Life feels so broken. I feel broken.

Do your kids know why you are divorcing? Will you be able to continue to homeschool?

TinselAngel · 11/10/2020 19:02

I don't know how common homeschooling is in the US- more common than over here I think. Anecdotally though, I'm sure American women who homeschool seem to find themselves in this situation disproportionately, leading me to believe it's often used by these men to further isolate their wives and make them economically dependent.

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XYZchromosones · 11/10/2020 20:39

I'm 28, had been with my husband for 10 years, where we were married for 9 months (we're still legally married, I left him slightly over a month ago). He was 33 when we met, and I didn't care about the age gap as I was fleeing my abusive parent's homes, and it was pretty cool to be getting attention from an adult like that.

He has always been abusive and controlling. Never cleaned and blamed it on me (I can't do the dishes without your help, you like doing laundry so I don't want to spoil your fun, you are the one that dirties the shower so you clean it, you wanted the pets so you have to clean up after them, ect).

He always told me about his castration fetish. Whatever, nbd, it's basically like getting a vasectomy right? 6 years in to our relationship he LEARNS about trans people. He at first just flat out refused to accept the idea. A year later he's pushing me to take testosterone because he thought it would be hot if my clit got bigger and I grew a beard. Being abused and manipulated my whole life by parents, Peers, partners, I am very easy to Gaslight and manipulate. I get on to hormones easy peasy because in the US all you have to do is ask a Dr for them, they get informed consent from you, and wham bam thank you ma'am you can mess up your body for life. It destroyed my wonderful singing voice. Luckily I wasn't on them for long because I'm a baby about needles, so I took 1 dose for every 10 I should have been taking, and I hated the changes my body was going through. He had magic mushrooms once and had decided that I was his gender and he was mine. He started making me wear his clothes and stole mine.

I put my foot down and stopped my hormones and took back my clothing. He told me I was delusional and that something was wrong with me, and took me to my Dr. He spoke for me, and she got me on antipsychotics, which were awful and basically made me a shell and question reality. I secretly stopped taking them. When he found out he tried to kill himself while I was away at work overnight baking. He said he definitely took enough pills to kill himself, but in the nick of time he realized he was a woman and puked it into the toilet. "Miraculously" he didn't have any liver, kidney, or stomach damage, which you would know by doing any kind of suicide research just doesn't happen if you take the proper stuff. In fact, taking things orally 99% of the time won't kill you, but you will be in and out of the hospital with comas, dialysis, liver transplants, ect.

8 years into our relationship he tells me that he's been on illegal hormones, as if I didn't notice the pills hanging around. He found all the resources from Facebook forums, what doses to take, where to buy them, how to buy them. I start calling him "she". We had planned on having our wedding that year, but he decided to postpone it so that he could "walk down the aisle as the blushing bride he always wanted to be". Whatever, the wedding was going to be in our backyard so it's not like we had lost any money. Pissed me off that he refused to look for a wedding dress. I had purchased mine from an etsy shop and he loved it so much (luckily he will never be able to fit in it) that he told me it was my job to find him one. But he wanted one that was more expensive, around $3,000. Mind you, our budget for the wedding was $2,000, and I had saved up and bought my dress at $250 so we could spend more on food and drink and music. We ended up getting legally married in the court because she told me that she would get a free name change and she needed it ASAP. Well, turns out you only get a free last name change.

9 years in and he's becoming me and distancing himself from me (and blaming me). He had been sleeping on the couch because he "doesn't feel close enough to me to sleep next to me", so I suggest we get him a bed and he can sleep in my sewing room. Which obviously means that it's ME not wanting to sleep next to him,despite every night me crying and begging him to come to bed. Nope, just got sick of it and became resigned, and was sick of him taking up the whole downstairs as his private bedroom that I wasn't allowed to. leave the upstairs till he was ready (the upstairs is literally just a master bedroom, no bathroom or anything).

He starts taking over everything that was mine, if he saw my friends give me attention for it. My pets that I take care of became his, the plants, my makeup subscriptions, my taxidermy hobby, my goth/high femme/vintage fashion pieces, even my stories of childhood magically were stories of his! He decided that he wanted to have a polyamorous relationship so he could "experience dating as a lesbian", whatever I had wanted that from the start. Plus maybe he'd find someone else and leave me. He was hesitant to let me date others. He would scream at me when I would go on dates about how unfair it was that he wasn't getting any dates and I would have more prospects than he did. Which, he only wants to date women, and they have to be OK with him having a penis. Whereas I'm a woman with a vagina, and I'm bi. My dating pool is just bigger, and it was mostly men.

I would wear dresses, he'd be jealous and steal them and whine because"I don't have any girl clothes and you have so many, it's not like you even wear this". I stopped wearing my feminine clothes and started wearing clothes that I joked as country lesbian comfy chic, which got me some attention from ladies at the breweries, so she took them because she's the real lesbian or whatever. She would get sooooo mad when women at the bar wouldn't give her the same attention that I got in the same outfit. Somehow she still had a huge ego and would leer at women and say that thwy totally wanted to have sex with her and would explain in detail about how she could tell that they "wanted her girl dick down their mouths", and would ask me if I thought she should go over and ask them to go to the bathroom with her to have sex. Because that's totally what lesbians do while they're hanging out with friends on the brewery patio.

I got a boyfriend. He slept over one day, and I started crying about how I hated my life. He offered me a place to stay, as a friend helping a friend first and foremost. At 4am I packed a small bag and we fled. I've been back at the house a few times, and he's been sorting through my clothes and choosing what he wants to keep. I've been bled dry of over $100,000 because of him and building our home. Furniture, electronics, cooking ware, decorations, rugs. He promised that once we got married we'd build a family. Now he's telling me that I'm not allowed in my own home without him being there, which lol nope not going to listen to that. I took 1 cat out of 3 and 2 plants out of 30, and he's throwing a fit telling me how unfair and unreasonable I'm being. Wait till my mom and me get the uhaul and I take his precious kitchen table that he refuses to give up (a family heirloom of mine, my great great grandfather made it by hand).

Kettlingur · 11/10/2020 21:09

Right now the strongest feeling I have for him is pity. He's pathetic.

This is what I think killed my marriage. Not his selfishness, not even that. But seeing his middle-aged rugby player frame in a stupid tulle skirt while he tried to act and stand girly. Bending his knobby knees. Ugh.

TinselAngel · 11/10/2020 21:31

This is what I think killed my marriage.

I don't think you can come back from losing respect for somebody.

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socialworker222 · 11/10/2020 21:44

soon and XYZ he key thing is your decision to leave, start again, and focus on your own lives. Soon my marriage was the same length as yours and it's a slow and lengthy process grieving for what you lose, and your imagined future with him. But however turbulent and distressing, realising you are being mistreated, or that the lines you've drawn won't be respected, seems to have been a catalyst for you both to walk away. It's a brave and overwhelming decision. I look back and don't know how I survived it, but I more than did, and life is way better without that person, their drama, their selfishness and their lying. You will be free to breathe one day in the future.

socialworker222 · 11/10/2020 21:52

And yes southern my ex agreed with our solicitors to wait a year before changing his appearance around the kids... In fact he started immediately with no warning or preparation. He memorably changed his Instagram profile pic to him in a party frock... I found my daughter crying over it and was so angry. Perhaps the worst part of all of it is the lying and breaking of agreements which is just basic respect. When that went I was kind of done..

socialworker222 · 11/10/2020 21:54

It should have been funny really... An 'ally' and others noted how 'hot' he looked when he looked completely ridiculous, middle aged and very very male .. but I was in mood to laugh Hmm

socialworker222 · 11/10/2020 21:54

No mood

SouthernTW · 12/10/2020 03:41

Tinsel- In the US about 3-5% of kids are homeschooled although in my area that percentage is higher. Although I can see where some men might use it was a way to create economic dependency, that's not the case for our family. And now I am scrambling to figure out a way to make it work financially so that I can continue to homeschool my kids. They don't want to go to a traditional school. They are close to old enough to make it work if I can just hang on another year or two. I currently work part-time (one day a week) teaching older homeschool students and am planning to double that for the next school year. It won't be lucrative, but I can't imagine going back to practicing law and working full-time while my children deal with this trauma.

XYZ- What a dreadful situation. I am glad you have escaped.

Socialworker- I fear the day he comes out on his Twitter feed. All of his likes for these ridiculous-looking men dressed as women is bad enough. How are your kids taking your ex's disclosure?

SouthernTW · 12/10/2020 04:44

Do you all ever just feel exhausted by all the emotions? Between not sleeping much and just being overwhelmed by the sheer up and down cycle of the emotionalism around here, I am done in. I would love one day I didn't cry. Today, I almost lost it as I was reading aloud to my kids. Just getting through a day feels like an accomplishment and I'm not too successful at that.

FWRLurker · 12/10/2020 06:25

SouthernTW you asked what to tell the kids and I’d try to be honest when the time comes (obviously wait until you feel the time is right). Like, no one really understands why, but some people get a really strong feeling that they want others to believe they are the opposite sex than they are. Sometimes they even take meds or get surgeries to make this more possible.

But you can’t control what others believe and that it’s OK if they still see their dad as their dad, and that they should never feel they have to lie to or about him.

FWRLurker · 12/10/2020 06:32

I have a bit to share, To recap from long ago my husband identified as trans for 2 years starting around... 6 years ago now, including HRT.

He’s in a much better place now he’s detransitioned (No more drugs or alcohol or gender obsession, has a new degree and job, is physically healthy) and so is our relationship, so we are trying to have a second child. However we are struggling and think he may be infertile due to the hormone treatments. We’ll see how it goes... But even a happy ending to this situation Like We’ve ended up with may still have consequences.

TinselAngel · 12/10/2020 09:57

@SouthernTW

Do you all ever just feel exhausted by all the emotions? Between not sleeping much and just being overwhelmed by the sheer up and down cycle of the emotionalism around here, I am done in. I would love one day I didn't cry. Today, I almost lost it as I was reading aloud to my kids. Just getting through a day feels like an accomplishment and I'm not too successful at that.
I remember this very well, have a look at my story on the Trans Widows voices website Thanks
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TinselAngel · 12/10/2020 10:02

@FWRLurker

I have a bit to share, To recap from long ago my husband identified as trans for 2 years starting around... 6 years ago now, including HRT.

He’s in a much better place now he’s detransitioned (No more drugs or alcohol or gender obsession, has a new degree and job, is physically healthy) and so is our relationship, so we are trying to have a second child. However we are struggling and think he may be infertile due to the hormone treatments. We’ll see how it goes... But even a happy ending to this situation Like We’ve ended up with may still have consequences.

I'm glad you've given us an update as I thought about your situation when Too was talking about her husband desisting the other day.

Do you find yourself able to trust him?

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HollywoodTease · 12/10/2020 16:16

It's all gone quiet over here.

The blokes in wigs and corsets are gone from his FB. He's cracking on with housework and other tasks while I'm at work without me having to nag remind him. I asked him to bring me all his "stuff" and that hasn't happened yet though.

He's acting like nothing has happened.

I'm sure he genuinely thinks he's "stopped".

I'm just waiting for the next cycle to start.

Still, at least it's peaceful. No rows or tears at the moment.

TinselAngel · 12/10/2020 18:27

He's acting like nothing has happened.

I'm sure he genuinely thinks he's "stopped"

There's also the possibility that he's just decided to hide it better Thanks

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socialworker222 · 12/10/2020 20:34

Southern you will get to days where you don't cry. And you sleep. But of course you're done in. It's exhausting and overwhelming and difficult to imagine an end. I remember sitting with the kids eating and being unable to swallow my food, I was so distressed and broken. But it doesn't last. It's a series of tough hurdles and stages. Make sure you look after yourself as best you can.
How did my kids take it? Badly. They haven't seen him for over 4 years. He never prepared them, explained, asked or answered questions or did it in stages... He just did it. They didn't like it and stopped seeing him. The one who found the Instagram post blocked him that day from all messaging. She was, rightly, so angry and distressed and said 'He doesn't care about us'. It was terrible. I had a bad feeling she was right, and he only really cared about himself through it all.
Time is really helpful as is a plan, being practical, talking, trying to do nice/fun stuff with your kids, and working towards your different new future. You'll totally get there but it's really hard. We're here for you.

SouthernTW · 13/10/2020 04:50

FWLurker- that is quite an update. Infertility is very difficult and especially under these circumstances. What a wonderful thing that your husband has changed so much.

Tinsel- I went back and read your entry. I had read it before, but somehow had focused on other parts of your story. You very eloquently describe the emotions I'm having right now. The gong through the motions in a fog and the fear and shame of others finding out.

Hollywood- there is a lot to be said for peace. Even if it's only a brief respite.

Socialworker- Thank you for sharing that. I'm so sorry to hear how your children have suffered. I have yet to hear stories of this going well despite spouse's assurances that my (I'm refusing to say our anymore) children "won't be traumatized."

I'm doing my best to take care of myself. I fear there's a bit of trauma bonding going on over here. But one particular thing I'm proud of is that I am not self-medicating with food. I have lost 53 pounds since May and am determined to get back to my pre-wedding weight of 15 years ago.

SouthernTW · 13/10/2020 04:53

And I got a cut and dye job today! I'm going back to the redhead I used to be. In more ways than one.

TinselAngel · 13/10/2020 23:00

@SouthernTW

And I got a cut and dye job today! I'm going back to the redhead I used to be. In more ways than one.
Never under estimate the benefits of having good hair!
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