Julie Bindel on twitter

[Anonymouswasawoman]

Did her account get deleted?
twitter.com/bindelj/
Twitter is telling me it doesn't exist

Why? Seriously, why would an author with multiple books to her name and articles published daily need Twitter? I don't get that tbh

It's an addictive habit.

Personally, think anyone with a serious public profile should stay well away fro twitter.

I guess when you do have such a profile, and are known for specific, and some might say, predictable views......then it would be easy to feel you have to automatically defend certain types of position. I'm always a little suspicious of people who are saying the exact same things, in the exact same ways, thirty years later.

*It's an addictive habit.

Personally, think anyone with a serious public profile should stay well away fro twitter.*

I think you're definitely right on the first point and possibly on the second. My point though is that, by the time you're published daily in multiple publications across the western world and have several books under your belt, Twitter may be useful to your career, but it's not essential.

Apparently some publishers expect you to have an activs twitter profile so it might be effectively a job requirement for some.

The suggestion that you should be kind or sweet to idiots doesn't translate well any day, and it translates even less well when the command from those who stand to make money. Even less welcome than that is 20 year old activists calling out older women for not using their own names on social media.

The last few days have been very revealing.

I think there has been some research about behaviour with anonymity, and it does seem to have a disinhibiting effect

Very possibly, but that depends on what you are normally trying to inhibit in real life. Most everyone I follow on twitter is anonymous as I am myself and I don't feel any need to be unkind or cruel on twitter, nor do I follow anyone who is nasty.

Saludos Dr. Louise.

Most everyone I follow on twitter is anonymous as I am myself and I don't feel any need to be unkind or cruel on twitter, nor do I follow anyone who is nasty.

Same here. I follow some lovely anonymous/not anonymous/don't know whether they are anonymous or not accounts. It was disappointing to log on and the first post in my feed proclaimed my worthlessness. You just know some posts are not going to go well, so I resisted.

If you want to be listened to, then you need to say what you need to succinctly and clearly without being unnecessarily rude, which is where FWR comes in - lots of posters that really make you think things through properly before you tweet.

Having said that, I still got blocked by Alice

(I didn't mean being kind and sweet to idiots.)

I prefer to #BeRespectful rather than #BeKind, #BeKind suggests suppressing my views because others disagree #BeRespectful implies a mutual responsibility to not be abusive about views that differ

Yes, I thought respectful debate and respectful disagreement were the hallmark of British politics.

Can't stand bekind. Definitely respectful.

You can't kindly disagree.

You can respectfully disagree with everyone.

Is Julie Bindel seriously saying we are only allowed to oppose gender insanity on social media if we are prepared to lose our jobs? If so that is insanity, and just doing the TRAs’ work for them.
I’m a single mother with a mortgage. I can’t afford to lose my job by posting anything gender critical in my own name.
If this is really Julie’s stance, I think she’s lost sight of what life is like for ordinary working women. What a disappointment - and what a way to kill the GC movement. Little Owen must be delighted.

Jane Claire Jones went on an epic 3 hour 10 minute rant blaming women for everything and trying to claim victimhood status while bullying everyone from posie to Moody to anon accounts.

People like her, stock and bindel are more important because they are smarter and have had enough privilege to focus on an academic career so we should all shut up and listen to them according to Claire.

Her true colours have shone through for all to see

I didn't read that as an epic rant. For me it was a helpful explainer about some of the back story to the current travails.

I'm confused, though: Kathleen is an academic, but Julie is a freelance journalist and Jane is (from all that I can gather) self-employed/freelance. Self-employment is hugely financially precarious, now more so than ever before, so I'm a bit bewildered by the 'privilege' narrative.

I value them because they explain things well and in a way that I (who does not have PhD in anything!) can understand.

I'm sure I'm not reading others who have a useful contribution to make so always open to be pointed towards other writers/academics/journalists.

Example: I'd love to read more of Louise Moody's work in this area. Can anyone point me to her best essays/articles/papers? (Although bear in mind I can't see anything behind an academic paywall, which might be limiting.)

I'm still raging, can't help it as more blue ticks wade in saying 'I wasn't here for the shit storm but I'm going to add my bit to it and make it worse'. I'm resisting slagging them off because the cause is more important. Jeez though.

Jane Claire Jones has deleted all her tweets.

I don't think Julie Bindel has a PhD?

It was a one sided and twisted explanation of how she is bullying women because they are not as smart nor privileged as her and academics and who cannot have an opinion as they don't worship the left.

Jcj, bindel and stock have been insulting, blaming and defaming women for months.

That wasn't my reading of JCJ's thread either. I'm still not clear what this is really about, except that it clearly goes way beyond Jameela Jamil or anonymous accounts.

I'm sure each and every one of us behaves like a dick sometimes and so, if you spend enough time on Twitter, there's a good chance you'll be a dick there too at some point. And if you then publicly call someone out, no matter how egregious their behaviour, someone 's bound to pop up with that screenshot of you being a dick.

It pains me to say this but it does feel like the only grown ups in town right now are Liz Truss, Baroness Nicholson and the 14 year-old who took on the CPS.

I really don't see how you can call Jane's tweet thread a rant, even if you disagree with what she said. I've always found her tweets and longer writings very interesting and often hilarious, and I enjoyed the Institute of Feminist Thought seminars I did with her last year. JCJ doesn't have an academic career thanks in large part to not toeing the pomo line, and is not in my view anyone's idea of a privileged academic

I've just read all those. I screenshotted so I could make sense of it at my own pace.

I didn't see it as an epic rant either. Just stating her POV and experiences.

Not exactly any the wiser tbh.

Lisa M mentioned elitism etc and how it can rise; it strikes me everyone is accusing everyone else of elitism

don't think Julie Bindel has a PhD?

No but she, stock, Jones et all are the inner clique who spend their time in Twitter insulting anon accounts and posie Parker.

She has a PhD per proxy thanks to stock.

You are also worthless as you are not brave enough to use your name, surname, address and academic record in your bio.

We're clever

The rest of you are not.
If this were a man he'd be hung out to dry

For Goodness sake, it really is two steps forward and a giant leap backwards in women's rights, isn't it? In the week that Liz Truss said something positive, the CPS dropped their guidance and other ridiculous aspects of trans ideology got exposed, are feminists really going to hold an internecine war? Are we really going to separate into named and anon, left and right, rich and poor? It is possible to disagree with someone on every possible detail of life and put that aside to work together to achieve our aim: GRA reform is wrong, children need therapy before ever medical intervention becomes the only route and single sex spaces are an essential, not a luxury.
How we keep so many different personalities together is a real issue: perhaps leaving egos at the door and accepting that there are multiple routes to the same ends, some polite and intellectual, others a little more in your face. Get the intellectuals on TV more arguing the finer points of law and let the anon accounts get on with what we do: political pressure, sticker campaigns, pushing on committees in the real world and keeping saying No. Many paths, one united outcome. And less internal struggle.

I have found some of the tweets about anonymous Twitter accounts snarky and unpleasant, Sarah Ditum in particular was very rude. But I don't think it's fair to have a go at a load of people by accusing them of being a clique when you don't know what their opinions are on a lot of this stuff - JCJ didn't weigh in on anon accounts at all, for example

IMO the thread needs to be read as a whole. Not just one tweet in isolation.

I see Jane has deactivated her account now but she's put the whole thread on her website.

As I said upthread, I found it helpful as a way of understanding some of the current rifts emerging on social media.

JCJ did however dig up an issue between some women on twitter that had died down. Not cool at all.