Julie Bindel on twitter

[Anonymouswasawoman]

Did her account get deleted?
twitter.com/bindelj/
Twitter is telling me it doesn't exist

Certainly an increasing divide between some academics and other blue ticks, and working class women too. This has just made it worse. And I can't see any of the major players building bridges. However, I think everyone's work will go in regardless. It's just annoying to get caught up in arguments like this.

I just wonder if these women are simply about protecting themselves and couldn’t really give a shit about the movement as they constantly have a go at others. I think it’s self preservation now, and always has been.

And self promotion...?

It seems Julie had another debate going on yesterday too. So who knows? I'm sure she'll be back.

twitter.com/jammach/status/1255528495616348161?s=19

There's a tendency for people who see themselves as important in a movement to think somehow their contributions are more worthwhile or thoughtful than the people who aren't household names. Which often isn't the case. They get annoyed when other people disagree or argue with them in a sort of "don't you know who I am and what I've done" kind of way. It's always very tempting to say, "yeah, that's how I know that 50% of the time you're talking shit."

Kathleen Stock's account had disappeared yesterday and is now protected.

I can't see Julie Bindel's today (but I expect that she will be back).

I only skim a few accounts for interesting links etc. Does anyone have the time/energy to outline what happened re Jess's book (presumably Dr Jessica Taylor's?)

@Bflatmajorsharp it's towards the top of the thread.

Jameela doesn’t know which way is up. I find her every utterance painful. I would endorse the ‘ignore’ approach with regard to her munchausens by queerness behaviour but she also does actual damage to women with her endorsement of people like Danielle Muscato. She’s pretty dreadful and unthinking - I don’t see why she should be protected from her own foolishness. No one thought ‘ah poor old Billy Bragg, let’s make allowances for the silly old fool’. JJ plays the woke card for money and feelgoods just as much as Billy Bragg.

I’m all about telling the truth so bring it on.

It is Jessica Eaton, not Taylor.

Thanks ahumanfemale.

Who is Jessica Eaton? JJ was buying Dr Jess Taylor's book Why Women are Blamed for Everything. Please tell me if I'm wrong and a whole other thing I don't know about happened. I'm confused now.

Jess Taylor used to be Jessica Eaton (she was married, now divorced) - it's the same person.

Thanks, that makes sense.

Oh I see ! I know her as Eaton and hadn’t registered the name change. Thanks for clarifying.

A whole lot of crap blew up after Jameela Jamil deleted that tweet about Jessica Eaton's book. Kathleen Stock lectured people on being nice. And then the conversation moved onto "anonymous accounts" on twitter, which Julie seems to have a bee in her bonnet about. They both pissed off a lot of women.

What on earth does “anonymous accounts” have to do with Jessica Taylor’s book, and which women were they pissing off?

I believe they are referring to anonymous accounts being the accounts without our real names on.

The ones people use because of doxxing issues, issues with employers and bullying.

Fallingirl I think the implication was that anonymous accounts are trolls/abusive, which is really bloody insulting, for the reasons Winesalot has given.

That and the air of superiority coming from them, not for the first time, has pissed off a lot of GC women on twitter. You know, the ones that actually buy their books, read and retweet their articles, go to their talks and engage in real grassroots activism.

(I'm not including Dr Taylor in this, she hasn't behaved like The Great I Am, as far as I can see.)

"Anonymous" GC accounts were blamed for JJ deleting her tweet about Dr Taylor's book. But she also got flack from TRAs. Go figure.

My name isn't really Flo and I admire anyone who's brave enough to put their head over the parapet over this. Julie Bindel was one of the first and I'm sure it's cost her a lot; Kathleen Stock likewise.
So I get where they're coming from. But sometimes they remind me of the time I had a boss who was inspirational but who regarded being ill as a weakness.
I think everyone does what they can.
I also think there are people with too much time on their hands at the moment.

.. munchausens by queerness behaviour..

This is why I love it here.

Yes, people having too much time on their hands might be something to do with it. I didn't see most of it with JB only KS's tweet and someone laughing at JJ. I don't know what was said. I've been told it was trolling. I don't know why lots of GC women who follow and admire JB would suddenly start trolling her unless she'd been a twat about something.

I should let this drop but this whole thing has annoyed me. I'm sad there's a rift, I'm sad people I admire have flounced. I'm annoyed half the people I follow are getting preachy and half are sulky. I also don't think posters should be expected to behave with some kind of ladylike decorum at all times on Twitter which is a pretty wild place. I always try to be polite but I'm not above taking the piss a bit or having a joke.

Julie Bindel has been very forthright about the importance of 'speaking out' about GC issues for a while ie using your own name on SM etc.

That hasn't gone so well for a lot of (mainly) women without her financial security, status and contacts and i honestly don't blame people for remaining anonymous.

There's a clear difference between using Twatter anonymously, and creating sock puppets accounts to whip up (even more) frenzy or to throw in the odd bit of petty spite though.

The latter two aren't great and it must be annoying to encounter that on your feed every day.

(I've started and deleted posts like this over the past couple of days but rather than do that again I'm just going to leave this as a ramble because while I haven't figured out all my thoughts yet, maybe someone else is feeling similar to me.)

I feel there's a discussion to be had regarding class divide in (big F) Feminism but ironically I don't feel articulate enough to start it, particularly on MN which skews middle-class.

I suppose it's similar to why I drifted to radical feminism rather than liberal - because the idea of 'free choice' seems idealistic and a bit Common People. Some people have more choices than others.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't expect anyone to share my opinion on everything, all the time, and that we can only bring our own experiences to the table. Women with strong opinions disagreeing strongly on some things despite agreeing on some other things is hardly surprising, is it? I'm sure we've all spent time on AIBU!

My name isn't Flo either floisme

Argh meant to add that I'm not aiming my thoughts at anybody in particular, it really is random musings that I've been pondering over for a while.