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British teenager convicted of making up gang rape claims in Cyprus speaks about ordeal in her first TV interview tonight

235 replies

stumbledin · 14/04/2020 16:47

Believe Me: The Cyprus Rape Case is broadcast on Tuesday 14 April at 10.45pm on ITV

www.itv.com/news/2020-04-14/british-teenager-convicted-of-making-up-gang-rape-claims-in-cyprus-speaks-about-ordeal-in-her-first-tv-interview/

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Homestayer · 18/04/2020 14:55

As I said I hope she is telling the truth and gets the chance to clear her name.

It's just... odd is all.

findumdum1 · 18/04/2020 14:57

Of course she's telling the truth. I hope you don't have daughters.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 14:57

TheQueef

Is it the same in Cyprus @Ulver?
I don’t know but if it was published in the U.K. or uploaded on U.K. platforms it might still apply.

Muttonindistress · 18/04/2020 15:08

Hi all
I've been lurking on here for a while, but have decided to break cover as I've been getting quite worked up about this thread. Though the op (see I've picked up the lingo) has pretty much covered what I was going to say in her last post.
I also believe 'Emily' - absolutely. I always did, but even more so since watching the doc. I don't know how anyone who has seen the doc could not believe her, unless they were quite determined to think she was lying from the outset. And why would you be? Why on Earth would anyone think it was more likely that this young woman chose to have group sex with five virtual strangers (the DNA of 5 different men were found on her) than that she was raped by a group of vile men who had had been heard boasting about fucking the English girl in advance and were triumphantly celebrating and calling her a whore afterwards. Hardly the behaviour of innocent boys who had narrowly avoided a false rape charge. Also, the claim (made by the police and judge) that she 'cried rape' after finding out she was being filmed seems bizarre to me. Wouldn't you want to pretend it hadn't happened and hope no-one you knew got to see the footage, rather than drawing attention to it (as well as putting yourself through the added humiliation of an intimate exam and intrusive questioning)?
I was aware of the online video before, as it was mentioned many times in the comments section of the Daily Mail article (of course) about the doc, by people (let's assume men) claiming it was absolute proof she was lying, and that those of us not repulsive enough to have searched for it and watched it, don't know what we're talking about. They've sort of got us over a barrel with that one, because no decent person is going to want to watch it (watching the doc was hard enough). But, with my extremely limited knowledge of Porn Hub, I'm pretty sure it would not be beyond the wit of man (or spotty teenage boy) to fake such a video (I'm sure I've heard, for instance, that there are videos of celebs doing pretty gross things online - which are not actually them) especially as there was some real footage of consensual sex to work with (as admitted by the victim). This footage was shown to the judge during HER trial (the men were not tried) and I think played a large part in the verdict. Because, of course, if a young woman is willing to have sex with one man she barely knows she's clearly willing to have sex with five of them!
If there is real footage of consensual group sex surely she would know that and therefore why would she continue to 'lie'? Wouldn't she just think she was lucky not to have got a year in jail and try and get back to normal life?
As for the differing doctors' reports, I understood that the doctor who saw her first said her injuries were consistent with rape and she was extremely distressed, as was also reported by her friends and a young man who was staying in the same hotel.

Sorry for banging on a bit. But it's a subject I feel very strongly about. Thank you to the OP for raising the subject.

Tonz · 18/04/2020 15:13

@Homestayer I truly suspect they don't have it and never will because it doesn't exist your friend is talking shit in your ear.
@findumdum1 I believe the video you saw exists and yes apparently it was planned there are witness statements in the interview who say they were discussing "fucking the Brit" very aggressively. It's horrific isn't it. The hero's welcome they got arriving home was sickening too I'd be so ashamed if any of my family were accused of gang rape

Homestayer · 18/04/2020 15:15

I'm not sure the argument that the trial was biased seems unfair.

All evidence, testimonies and witnesses were approved by representatives of the British High Commission who were also present throughout the proceedings and they didn't raise an objection to anything.

The narrative that she was stitched up by a kangaroo court is unfair and smacks of racism to be honest, "of course those sneaky Greeks can't be trusted to give a Brit a fair trial can they eh?"

Homestayer · 18/04/2020 15:17

The judge took the time to write a 70 page summary of judgement where he explains at length the reasoning behind the judgement.

By all accounts it's pretty damning. I'd be interested to read it.

TheQueef · 18/04/2020 15:19

Echo what Mutton said. Particularly the part about the doctor, the first doctor flagged that she had been assaulted.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:20

Yes because it’s normal to imprison a rape victim, deny them access to a lawyer, force them to sign a statement in a foreign language and harangue them for hrs.
Do you live in the U.K. or somewhere else where this is routine?

Homestayer · 18/04/2020 15:21

Ulver like I said, there is more to this than meets the eye.

The British High Commission raised no objections to any of her treatment.

I get the feeling we are only hearing half the story.

Groundedbyboris · 18/04/2020 15:21

@Homestayer What the fuck has racism got to do with anything? Are you really that thick. Of course the trial was unfair. Your not the mother of one of them men are u?

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:22

THE Government has said it is "seriously concerned" about whether a teenager convicted of lying about being gang-raped in Ayia Napa had a fair trial.

In a rare statement, the Foreign Office said the UK will raise the issue with Cypriot authorities after the 19-year-old woman was convicted in Paralimni on Monday.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The UK is seriously concerned about the fair trial guarantees in this deeply distressing case and we will be raising the issue with the Cypriot authorities."

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:23

Homestayer are you in the U.K. or not. Easy question.

Homestayer · 18/04/2020 15:24

Yes I'm in the UK. Why?

Tonz · 18/04/2020 15:24

@Groundedbyboris 😂 you might be right there

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:26

If you notice the treatment of the victims of Harvey Weinstein who were stalked and harassed by private security ex Mossad agents ( Black Cube), who operated a sustained campaign of threats, smears and disinformation against victims, what happened to this victim is not surprising.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:28

If anyone is interested in reading about it, Ronan Farrows book Catch and Kill is a must read. Pulitzer Prize winning journalist for the New Yorker magazine.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:33

Ronan Farrow is the son of Mia Farrow and supposedly Woody Allen, though Mia had an affair with Frank Sinatra and many people are convinced that Ronan is actually Sinatra’s son.

Groundedbyboris · 18/04/2020 15:36

@Ulver Thanks for that was wanting a new book to read. Going to check if it's on amazon

Imfinallyhappy1 · 18/04/2020 15:36

I was taped at 14 in another country and felt so scared I stayed silent. Even after having a concealed pregnancy and giving both alone and nearly dying, the police just looked at it as 'an English girl slag'. No one cared my parents wanted to forget it happened and it's been years for me to not blame myself.

I believe her and I wish I was as brave as her.

Imfinallyhappy1 · 18/04/2020 15:36

sorry typos. birth raped

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:42

There is also an episode of Unbreakable Kimmy Shmit in which Titus, the gay character is targeted for seduction by a Mossad agent to get him to retract sexual assault evidence against his ex boss.
It’s a satire of the Harvey Weinstein case. It’s become a trope.

rosiepony · 18/04/2020 15:42

I believe her and I’m boycotting Cyprus and Israel.

I’mfinallyhappy Flowers

Ulver · 18/04/2020 15:43

Imfinallyhappy1

I hope you are finally happy.

Tonz · 18/04/2020 15:45

Women have been blamed for rape for years. They way we dress or if we've had alcohol and in this girls case having consensual sex. Have u watched the doc @Homestayer? U may change your mind