Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

[HeIenaDove]

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

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From a historical point of view do you think its possible, that years of ownership, rape, forced marriages , denial of rights to buy property or even to participate in normal life, being beaten for being inappropriately dressed , being denied medical treatment because no man is present to consent, being denied education or aborted just for being female, do you truly believe that age hundreds of years of that and some of it still going strong in parts of the world, that its mot remotely possible that many many members of the male sex class have left over feelings of entitlement from all those years of merely being superior for owning a penis..

If you haven't experienced it then you are.lucky. long may or continue

But we have a long way to go still and it's not helpful to pretend this uneven society doesnt exist

@SwerfandTurf I thought I did understand it, but obviously not! I've been reading the Feminism Chat on Mumsnet for awhile now, particularly the posts regarding self-ID, and have a lot of respect and admiration for the regular posters. I was someone who have never really considered the issue, but I can now say I'm truly GC! I just feel like calling people (whoever they may be) fucking stupid, is not particularly helpful.

To be fair it's normally the wife that wants to tag along for a couple's trip out

nah. No way is that the norm.

Sainsbury’s joins Aldi and Tesco in ‘banning’ couples as supermarkets enforce social distancing rules.

Why does more than one person need to do the shopping? Supermarkets are now stopping more than one person going into the shop and the other person/family members will have to wait outside.

Ffs this isfeminism.chat. this isnt so much about individual examples it's how men as a class treat/oppress women

This thread is about Helena's personal, individual experience, which of course has been accepted as entirely valid and applicable to men as a class, whereas another poster's personal but different experience was called out as being a lie.

To be fair it's normally the wife that wants to tag along for a couple's trip out

Not in most of the couples I know it's not!

That is going to prove interesting in couples where the wife has to check in all the time and the husband does that strategic incompetence thing.

I worry for alot of women in this lockdown tbh

You don't think calling people stupid is helpful?

Yet on the only other thread you are on you said:

...I'm surrounded by selfish, foolish idiots...

Perhaps you're not stupid or an idiot.

Just a bit daft?

ErrolTheDragon

To be fair it's normally the wife that wants to tag along for a couple's trip out

nah. No way is that the norm

Neither of you have any concrete evidence of which statement is true.

Is AIBU quiet today or something? Some people who love to bunfight who we haven't seen in a while!

For me it's the male joggers and their right to own the pavement. A faster version of Patriarchy Chicken.

Suggestions for a new name? Patriarchy Frogger should be reserved for trying to cross the road in places where men in their vroom vroom cars won't stop.

Yeah, I’ve noticed it too. Yesterday we were on our walk and a bloke was coming up fast behind us. We were entering a narrow gate so stepped aside to let him pass before it became too narrow, by which time he would be right behind us. Cue muttering and swearing. ‘I’ve not got it ffs. Stupid dykes, I’m not going to infect you blah blah blah.’ A man came right up behind 12 yo DS in the shop queue and coughed on him too.

Joggers and cyclists are also a particular pain, always of the male variety. The more polite ones shout ‘excuse me’ as they charge up to us expecting us to get out of the way. The less polite just push through our space.

In the supermarket it’s both both men and women who space invade. A woman virtually climbed over me to get at the carrots.

I said calling people fucking stupid. And you've taken my other thread out of context. To say I'm truly deeply saddened is an understatement. I've learnt today that unless you agree 100% with someone on Feminism Chat you will be spoken to like you're 'fucking stupid'. I really hope you're pleased with yourself @HorseRadishFemish because you've just lost someone who was trying to learn and understand the cause.

I'm amazed at just how many of you are going out so frequently as to be able to make these observations - you know, seeing as we're in a lockdown and all that.

You are allowed out daily for exercise so that's where all the runners are meeting

Did anyone start a bingo card yet? I've got "you've put me off feminism but not being nice enough, you have".

I just need "not my nigel" for a full house.

Oh hang on ...

It's not a proper thread invasion until someone mentions the Titanic though.

You are allowed out daily for exercise so that's where all the runners are meeting

And the shops? Some of you must be barely indoors the number of interactions you're having. Why are you exercising in such crowded places if you are meant to be maintaining social distancing? Probably best to exercise elsewhere if you're constantly mown down by joggers and cyclists.

unless you agree 100% with someone on Feminism Chat you will be spoken to like you're 'fucking stupid'.

This statement is demonstrably untrue. Polite disagreement exists here. Certain posting topics and styles are repeated ad nauseam and NAMALT is incredibly tiresome.

I'm becoming zen about this. The reality is that, since lockdown, I'm never in any real hurry, I'm happy to stand in the queue and read a book on my phone, and if someone pushes in it doesn't honestly make that much difference to me.

So you all, as feminists, think that speaking to someone like they are fucking stupid is acceptable? Double standards much?

@NiteFlights I've no problem with polite disagreement, I have a problem when I'm trying to understand something and I'm spoken to in a condescending manner.

I haven’t seen anyone accused of lying, unless it was the deleted post.

Obviously no one here thinks that literally 100% of men do X, or that it’s impossible for women to do X. But we live in a patriarchy predicated on thousands of years of sex-based oppression, and we see the ramifications of that every day, both in terms of subconscious behaviour, social conditioning, and cultural norms in general. There’s a ton of scientific research out there studying things like, for example, that people in experiments treat babies differently depending on whether they are wearing clothing that codes them as male or female. Or that when people are asked to estimate how much time each person spent talking, both men and women vastly overestimate what percentage of the time women spent talking and underestimate it for men (meaning if you’re a woman in a business meeting and you talk for just 5% of the meeting both men and women will perceive you as having dominated the conversation, while a man can speak twice or three times as much without the same perception).

It’s important for women to acknowledge and be able to talk about these societal trends and how a culture of patriarchy influences them. Popping up with “NAMALT” isn’t helpful and has the effect of censoring and shutting down debate. And okay people pushing in queues isn’t the most serious issue. But “NAMALT” is frequently used as a minimising or censoring tactic to shut down discussions about much more serious things like rape and femicide. Sexual violence is overwhelmingly a male crime, yet there are an awful lot of people out there (many of them unfortunately women) who are conditioned to defend men whenever possible, and to justify or make excuses for behaviour that’s far worse than what’s being discussed here. Look what happens whenever a rape is reported in the press, it’s the victim who is torn apart and has every facet of her life (appearance, drinking habits, romantic history) questioned, never the man. Even when it comes to sexual offences involving minors, people would rather nitpick about what a 14yr old is wearing and whether she was especially mature for her age (usually while screaming “NAMALT” at the same time) than acknowledge that adult men shouldn’t be fucking children, period.

I read this shit every day, and I’m sick to the back teeth of it. I’m sick of men being excused and defended. I’m sick of the mentality that men are somehow victims of feminism. I’m not comparing rape to queue pushing obviously but the knee-jerk reaction to defend men at all costs is dangerous because it’s a slippery slope. And NAMALT is one of the common tactics used to oppress women and stop debate, so I side eye anyone using it.

A pack of entitled MAMILs out cycling in Regen't Park:

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